Beating your wife = Insanity

Look, Im the one saying their extreme.


Are you saying that people of Islamic faith and the Islamic texts are clear cut against beating women?

Because that would be news to me and Id like to hear about it.

I hear a lot of stories about women getting stoned for GETTING raped and stuff like that.

Is that not true?

And Im being falsely accused here.

All Ive said is

Muslims who beat their wives are not the norm
There are a lot of crazy muslims (just like every other religion. I said that to satisfy those that would post something like OVER HALF of Saudis abuse their wives)

I disagree with the whole premise.

If a problem is a global problem, but its more concentrated in one area or one group, should we pretend its equal everywhere?

I think that's dishonest and putting your head in the sand

Question:

My wife made me chicken fettuccine alfredo last night when I specifically asked for spaghetti and meatballs.

What is my Pat Robertson-approved course of action?

Thanks,

Ugie.

I agree with the insane label, but I am wondering why you consider abuse in the Muslim world/communities to be religious when abuse elsewhere is not.

Sure, you'll hear of Muslims, and other non-Muslims, citing religious justification for abuse, but the lessons of domestic violence studies suggest violent spouses/partners are going to inflict violence, whether or not the violence is perceived to be justified by some preacher or book. That is why I think it's flawed to approach this as a religious issue.

That's quite a stretch. Like I said above, domestic abuse transcends religion, culture, and ethnicity. Not sure what religion has to do with it here since domestic abuse is a global issue impacting women of all races, creeds, and nationalities. A Baptist wife-beater or a Jewish wife-beater are not called Christian or Jewish extremists, they're just called spousal abusers. Why not be consistent when it comes to Muslims.

Beat her with a belt, and have sex with her hottest sister. That will teach her.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

That's not what I understood from your posts, so I apologize if I misconstrued your statements.

What did you mean by this:

Are you saying domestic abuse is not an issue everywhere in the world, but only in some parts?

Christians and Jews are judged all the time for their beliefs. However, the perception, which I think is valid, is that Muslims are significantly more likely to limit the rights of women and treat them more poorly than they are in countries where other religions are more prevalent. You really can't be arguing that at least in terms of major religions, that Muslim women aren't treated worse than any other.

Now, don't go turning this into a "not all Muslims do that" thing. It's more than fair to characterize religions based on how large portions of them operate. It's indisputable that the rights of women are restricted greatly by large portions of Muslims.

Not to mention that Saudi Arabia, the de facto center of Islam, is a shining example of that. It doesn't mean all Muslims are bad or even most Muslims. However, the religion as a whole is the least progressive of all in terms of women's rights, at least in my opinion. If women were considered equal and not subjected to the restrictions they were, I wouldn't feel the need to make a connection between the religion and the treatment of the women of that religion.

It's more than fair to characterize religions based on how large portions of them operate. It's indisputable that the rights of women are restricted greatly by large portions of Muslims.

No, Im saying its worse in some places than others and we shouldnt ignore that or pretend its equal for the sake of political correctness


And yes, from what I understand, its a lot more common among Muslims than other religions.

Im not gonna pretend thats not true.


If a city has a lot of crime and one neighborhood is responsible for most of it, do you put more cops in that neighborhood or do you just spread them all over because crime happens everywhere?


If you are saying, its not a higher percentage among Muslims, ok, thats not what I gather.

Not sure what you're trying to say here. Domestic abuse transcends religion, culture, and ethnicity. Here are some statistics on domestic abuse cases in the U. S: http://dvrc-or.org/domestic/violence/resources/C61/

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

Violence Against Women Linked To Burned Pot Roasts

GAINESVILLE, FL—A study released Monday by researchers at the University of Florida indicates a strong link between domestic violence against women and burned pot roasts.

"After five years of research, we have found a direct causal link between overcooked, poorly prepared dinners and spousal abuse," Florida sociology professor and study head Dr. Patrick Redmond said.

Study data was gathered from interviews, police records, and first-hand observations conducted between 5 and 8 p.m., the hours during which a majority of American men come home from a long, hard day at work and expect a hot meal to be waiting for them on the table.

According to one 42-year-old male study participant, abuse in his home occurs most frequently "when I sit down at the table, and I gotta eat a goddamn black roast because the broad was yapping on the phone with her mother's hospice unit nurse again."

In addition to unsatisfactorily prepared meals, the study found that a number of other factors were linked to domestic violence, including: always nagging about getting the roof fixed, blocking the TV when the big game is on, and repeatedly demanding to know exactly what goes on at that bar all day and night.

While domestic violence is widespread, Redmond said there are steps women can take to protect themselves.

"Based on interviews we conducted with more than 1,000 abusive men, women can significantly reduce safety risks by quickly responding to requests of 'Get me another beer,' and making sure that the beer is cold, in addition to making sure that non-burned pot roasts are served hot and in a timely fashion," said Gregory Ormond of the New York-based Family Crisis Center.

"Further," Ormond added, "a majority of the wife batterers we spoke to indicated that it wouldn't hurt if their spouses took a little effort to make themselves appear more attractive once in a while."

Interviews with abusive men also indicated that women who "let themselves go" and "balloon up" shortly after the first few years of marriage are 20 percent more likely to get pasted right in their fat faces, Redmond said.

In addition to interviews, the Florida researchers conducted a wide range of laboratory experiments involving women who live with abusive partners. Among the experiments' findings: When the smell of burned pot roast is combined with the simulated sound of a station wagon pulling into a driveway, 43 percent of the women were observed to burst into tears instantaneously.

Upon learning of the study, American Women's Health Council president Marsha Hauge expressed hope that its findings will spark a reduction in future incidents of domestic abuse.

"Education is the key," Hauge said. "Women need to know there are places to go for help. It isn't easy to make good, tender pot roast, or even, in some cases, turkey casserole." Hauge noted that AWHC plans to offer free classes across the country dealing with proper meat preparation.

"Spousal abuse can be prevented," Redmond said. "Our research shows that all these men are asking for is a little peace and quiet, and a hot meal each night. Is that too much to ask?"

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

I don't agree entirely here. First of all, this is still a generalization which may be conflating government practices with ordinary Muslim practices, which are not synonymous. Second of all, I personally do not equate the behaviors of self-professed Hindus or Christians, for example, with the religious traditions themselves, because it assumes every ordinary believer is an authentic expression of the essence of his/her religion, which is simply not true. This is the same generalization that allows so many to disparage the Catholic Church for the actions of a number of priests accused of child molestation. Intellectually, that's just unfair.

progressive Muslim

I just view it differently. I think many in the Catholic Church made excuses, ignored, or tried to make it seem like it was no big deal what happened. I think it's more than fair to judge the Catholic Church on that. I don't think all Catholics are like that, just like I don't think all Muslims think women deserve the treatment they get but as a religion both of them can be classified based on those negative actions. I understand as a Muslim that you do not find the characterization to be a good one, but as a Catholic I think it is the duty of all people to point out major injustices. Even now, you seemed very hesitant to acknowledge the sad existence of women in many Muslim countries.

I think there are certainly moderate Muslims out there, but there is no moderate Islam. Any religion that forces a woman to be shrouded from head to foot is not a religion of freedom. You have to remember that Islam is also a form of government and it does not separate its religion from its laws. You cannot be a Christian in many of the Islamic countries without fear of being put in prison or put to death.

MD, your post is a dangerous mix of presumption and ignorance.

I'm also not quite sure if I follow you totally on making judgments about religion based on the actions of particular adherents. Speaking of scandals within the Church, what I am saying is that it is fallacious to project the crimes of these priests on the Church (in abstract) and/or religion. Similarly, odious social and cultural practices in the East are not necessarily fixed expressions of religion, so it's not as black and white as I think you're making it seem. For example, many women go through all sorts of trouble in a place like Pakistan, yet it's also a country which had a femake president in the '90s. There's a whole lot of nuance here that generalizations about religion, which collapse history, social custom, and culture into a monolith, don't capture.

I think there are certainly moderate Muslims out there, but there is no moderate Islam. Any religion that forces a woman to be shrouded from head to foot is not a religion of freedom. You have to remember that Islam is also a form of government and it does not separate its religion from its laws. You cannot be a Christian in many of the Islamic countries without fear of being put in prison or put to death.

By that logic we can't judge any group unless we honestly believe that all members of that group are in complete agreement with the thoughts and actions of that group. No need for nuance here. We are talking about a group. We can discuss the group without qualifiers that a portion of the group may not be accurately depicted.

I bet Robertson's got another gem on the way regarding the Oklahoma tornadoes...

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

MD, your post is a dangerous mix of presumption and ignorance. I'm sure you've noticed veiled women in this country, or are aware of veiled women in countries like France, England, South Africa, and India. Who is doing the forcing here? Have you considered the possibility that many women veil out of conviction and belief? What about Turkey? It has many religious citizens, yet it bars women from wearing the veil in public universities, and if they hold public offices. How does that factor into your binary thinking? It's sadly true that you're in trouble if you convert out of Islam in many places, but you haven't even considered the enormous grassroots efforts by Muslims to work toward freedom of religion, nor have you acknowledged that multi-religious coexistence between Muslims, Christians, Jews, and Hindus in the pre-nation/state eras.

During the Thursday edition of The 700 Club, a viewer told Robertson in an email that God had called them to go on a mission trip to Kenya, but friends and family had said that it was dangerous because of the recent Ebola crisis.

Robertson pointed out that there was not currently an outbreak of Ebola in Kenya, but there were other problems.

“You might get AIDS in Kenya, people have AIDS, you’ve got to be careful,” he explained. “I mean, the towels could have AIDS.”

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?