the point (I would think it's his point) is that we all need to minimize our carbon footprint. It means driving an electric vehicle or hybrid if possible. If not, perhaps driving a vehicle that gets great gas mileage. It means setting temperature controls in your home at reasonable levels. It means walking or biking when possible rather than driving. Some people even choose to use push mowers rather than a gas powered one. Some use solar panels, etc... Worrying does some good if the worrying causes you to behave in a way that is more responsible to the environment.

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Scary shot indeed, greed n corruption will retard any real change.

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There is a big difference between measuring temperatures and saying you shouldn't drive your car because you're causing the change in temperatures.

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Whether you should or should not stop driving your car is one thing... But there is absolutely no question that us driving cars is causing the rising temperatures and all that goes with it. It is indisputable at this point.

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No.

They really are not. And there is more than ample evidence that they are not for anyone who cares to look.

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Do you guys understand how small 400PPM really is?

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China has been the world's leader in clean energy production for the last three years.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/En ... nergy-push

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I'm not sure I understand the question. Yes, 400 seems little relative to a million, but that is irrelevant to the discussion. A drop of arsenic seems small relative to a human, too.

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My point which is relevant is that it is minute. It makes up like 0.036% of the total atmosphere. So while you posted an interesting albeit alarmist article from a agency that is directed by the administration to not ignore climate change I see your points.

A lot of valid points that cannot hurt the situation i.e. better or hybrid cars, energy conservation really don't make so much difference from what I see/read. My opinion is that no matter what the US and developed "main" world do and have done not much has changed. Your article and a graph on another site prove this.

From 197? to present the PPM number has risen from say 300 to potentially soon 450. Well the developed world has been trying to improve gas mileage, have cleaner generation of energy, cleaner businesses/factories for like 25 years? Not a blip on the chart as far as it slowing down. Their graph is absolutely linear in its growth. Where is the pay back for the investment in clean?

Until India and China (which no matter where you quote from are churning out CO2 like mad) clean up and you tell the South Americans that they are not allowed to improve their lot in life and they cannot cut down and burn their rain forests what can we do? What should we do?

I am not a righty alarmist. I am all for clean as long as it makes sense and is economically neutral at worst.

Well this is too long already so to answer more directly a whole lot of hand wringing and panicking really won't change anything and sure as shit the governments won't do things better. The 400-450 thing is small potatoes.

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http://www.google.com/search?q=china+an ... 24&bih=673

China is currently going through a "Green Program" where they are holding thousands of sea containers full of recyclables hostage on the pretext of being a cleaner nation. Within the next two months, they will have sufficiently driven down the pricing on the commodities, and will go back to business as usual.

They have been doing this type of stuff off and on for the last ten years. All the while avoiding any commitment in writing to any treaty that would hold their feet to the fire on meaningful reform of their antiquated industries.

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A lot of the listings in your link and the quotes from organizations are impressive. Some are old really 2005-2009 science works pretty fast. Some puzzle me like I have no idea why the AMA is cited. I am not disputing your link per se but since 2009 there have been many reports of no temp change in the most recent small sample i.e. 2009-present. Furthermore, you have to admit that when this was all the range when Al Gore's movie came out etc. thsi was a cause that was a huge bandwagon to be on. Everyone wanted to say positive things and quote 97% of scientists. etc. Since then many countries and experts have not rammed through any Kyoto or other measures. One thing for sure is the US admin has put out a directive informing various agencies of their position accepting this and to research it.

But I digress as I said in previous post or at least meant to say is that ok temps are rising or at least fluctuating. Does mankind have a hand in it, probably. Does solar activity also, probably as well. So then what to do to fix it? A lot of what are here on fixing it seems to be more toward cars and peoples lives (my drop in the bucket) and not the real huge sources. Look up airplanes, semi trucks and locomotives and compare emission levels. That is assuming that you believe that mankind can actually control this big blue thing with all its interactions and reverse it.

I think you would find it difficult to take the world and especially the elite back to the 17-1800's.

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One other thing I wanted to mention is plant, trees etc and the part they at in regulation. I am on phone but will look later but the following is interesting to me.

If man lowers their co2 emissions drastically what will green plants and trees naturally do? Die off from not enough? As emissions rose did they reproduce and grow at a faster rate due to extra energy from plentiful co2? This of course likely offset by deforestation.

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Debating what should be done about climate change or whether we can stop it is one thing; arguing that it isn't real or isn't man-made is another. If you don't believe it now, there is no amount of evidence that would make you believe it. There is no grand conspiracy where 97% of the scientists on Earth are in the bag for the "Liberal establishment." It is real. It is greatly affected by man.

Is it more likely that a "conspiracy" would be perpetrated by a bunch of scientists who have no financial stake in the matter or by large oil companies who have everything at stake in the matter? This shit is unreal to me sometimes.

This is the last thing I'll say on the matter, as posts like QB's or MD's are ridiculous, and there is no reasoning with it.

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