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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 1:50 pm 
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I think what might be held against Brian Urlacher is his surly attitude towards the media as well as pissing off many Bear fans following his tirade after the final Bears' home loss last December vs. the Packers at Soldier Field. It wasn't that long ago that the only person Urlacher wanted to have an audience with was FOXSports.com's Jay Glazer. Not Jeff Joniak. Not Zach Zaidman. Not Lou Canellis. It was Glazer or nobody.

SHARK, are you saying he won't be a first ballot HOF?

He'll get there in due time, but not on the first ballot.

SHARK, yes he will.

Apparently, you dont know much about the NFL hall of fame.


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I think what might be held against Brian Urlacher is his surly attitude towards the media as well as pissing off many Bear fans following his tirade after the final Bears' home loss last December vs. the Packers at Soldier Field. It wasn't that long ago that the only person Urlacher wanted to have an audience with was FOXSports.com's Jay Glazer. Not Jeff Joniak. Not Zach Zaidman. Not Lou Canellis. It was Glazer or nobody.

SHARK, are you saying he won't be a first ballot HOF?

He'll get there in due time, but not on the first ballot.

well, SHARK, we'll agree to disagree.

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City of Fools wrote:
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I think what might be held against Brian Urlacher is his surly attitude towards the media as well as pissing off many Bear fans following his tirade after the final Bears' home loss last December vs. the Packers at Soldier Field. It wasn't that long ago that the only person Urlacher wanted to have an audience with was FOXSports.com's Jay Glazer. Not Jeff Joniak. Not Zach Zaidman. Not Lou Canellis. It was Glazer or nobody.

SHARK, are you saying he won't be a first ballot HOF?

He'll get there in due time, but not on the first ballot.

well, SHARK, we'll agree to disagree.

City, if Ray Lewis & Brian Urlacher are on the same ballot, Lewis gets in with his 2 Super Bowl rings.


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City, if Ray Lewis & Brian Urlacher are on the same ballot, Lewis gets in with his 2 Super Bowl rings.

You realize they can elect more than one person at a time correct?

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City, if Ray Lewis & Brian Urlacher are on the same ballot, Lewis gets in with his 2 Super Bowl rings.

You realize they can elect more than one person at a time correct?

In the Pro Football Hall of Fame's case, I am aware that at least 6 guys always get into Canton, but they don't always go on the first ballot. I think that's a big part of the argument.


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Urlacher's favorite play: http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears ... -TD-return
(it did look like someone hit the turbo button on Urlacher when he ran past Vasher for that 2nd block)

SHARK's insistence that he won't be first ballot will be quite fun to look back at in five years.


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Urlacher's favorite play: http://www.nfl.com/videos/chicago-bears ... -TD-return
(it did look like someone hit the turbo button on Urlacher when he ran past Vasher for that 2nd block)

SHARK's insistence that he won't be first ballot will be quite fun to look back at in five years.

Harry, it's beyond my control. I don't have a HOF ballot and neither do you. It's very debatable...and I'm not Doug Gottlieb.


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Is Brian Urlacher a first-ballot Hall of Famer?

By Bob Warja, March 22, 2013 at 7:06 am


Now that Brian Urlacher and the Bears have parted, it seems like a good time to revisit his storied 13-year career in Chicago. He may still sign with another team—if the price is right—but assuming that his career is done, I ask you, Bears fans: Is he a first-ballot Hall of Famer?

Now, there are actually two questions imbedded here. One is whether or not you feel he is worthy of the honor, while the second question is whether the NFL HOF's politics will allow it. Personally, I feel he is worthy but likely will have to wait until his third or fourth time on the ballot to get in. :shock:

For one thing, if his career is over now, Urlacher would be eligible at the same time as Ray Lewis. And that makes it unlikely, at least to me, that they elect both MLBs. There will be that obvious comparison and, as great as Urlacher has been, his career has not been as good as Lewis’—at least in the court of public opinion.

Meanwhile, old No. 54 has never won a Super Bowl. That's not his fault, of course, but rings do matter to the Hall. Heck, there are writers who aren't even sold on his being worthy ever for the HOF. So he has that working against him. As evidence, although this article is dated, it clarifies that there is a debate.

Still, let's consider Urlacher's accomplishments thus far:

A franchise-record 1,776 tackles (according to team stats)
Eight Pro Bowl selections
41.5 sacks and 22 interceptions
Five All-Pro team selections
NFL Rookie-of-the-Year in 2000
NFL Defensive Player of the Year award in 2005
NFL 2000s All-Decade Team
Chicago Bears single-season tackle record (153 in 2002)
Urlacher's speed and athleticism helped to redefine the MLB position, especially working in the Cover-2 scheme, where he routinely had to cover offensive players down the field. He was the Bears’ signal caller and was reputed to be the leader of the defense. All of these accolades sound like a man worthy of football's highest honor.

Yet Urlacher's reputation has always generated controversy, especially among fellow NFL players. A 2006 poll of 361 NFL players by Sports Illustrated named him the second most overrated player in the league (behind Terrell Owens).

So what do you think? Is he Hall-worthy in his first year of eligibility, will he have to wait, or—Gasp!—do you feel Urlacher is not a future HOFer? You tell me. I've already told you what I think.


http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-bears-huddle/2013/03/is-brian-urlacher-a-first-ballot-hall-of-famer/

Ah ha!


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Brian Urlacher...20+ picks, 40+ sacks and we'll see him in a yellow jacket instead of another jersey. #Man'sGame.



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City, if Ray Lewis & Brian Urlacher are on the same ballot, Lewis gets in with his 2 Super Bowl rings.

You realize they can elect more than one person at a time correct?

well Phil, we may be wrong.

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If he's not, the whole process is stupid. Those accolades alone are worthy of first-ballot HOF induction. That doesn't mention his -gasp!- leadership (sorry Bernstein) and the difference between the Bears defensive stats historically when he is on the field vs when he's not.

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SHARK wrote:
It's very debatable...and I'm not Doug Gottlieb.


legit LOLed at this

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From my perspective out here in PA Urlacher is pretty revered. I am guessing he goes in 1st. 2nd at worst. The ballot shit as already mentioned is for the goofy baseball writers.

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SHARK wrote:
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I think Danny is off Ray's jock after Ray screamed his love for God in every interview before and after the recent Super Bowl.

I bet Ray Lewis gets into Canton, OH before Brian Urlacher.


I respectfully disagree.

They're the 1-2 combo of their generation of LBs, regardless of position.

I heard Mac & Spiegs mention the same thing. I'm not so sure BOTH Lewis & Urlacher get in on the first ballot when their Pro Football Hall of Fame ballot comes up.


I'll bet you one American quarter they both get in 1st time.

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From my perspective out here in PA Urlacher is pretty revered. I am guessing he goes in 1st. 2nd at worst. The ballot shit as already mentioned is for the goofy baseball writers.

It's not nearly as strict as the BBWAA has for Cooperstown, NY where 75% is required, but I think there are going to be politics that keeps Urlacher out...at least right away.


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Year
Pos
Player
2013
OL
Larry Allen
2013
OT
Jonathan Ogden
2013
DT
Warren Sapp
2011
CB
Deion Sanders
2011
RB
Marshall Faulk
2010
RB
Emmitt Smith
2010
WR
Jerry Rice
2009
DB
Rod Woodson
2009
DE
Bruce Smith
2008
CB
Darrell Green
2007
OL
Bruce Matthews
2006
DE
Reggie White
2006
QB
Warren Moon
2006
QB
Troy Aikman
2005
QB
Steve Young
2005
QB
Dan Marino
2004
QB
John Elway
2004
RB
Barry Sanders
2003
RB
Marcus Allen
2002
QB
Jim Kelly
2001
OT
Jackie Slater
2000
QB
Joe Montana
2000
DB
Ronnie Lott
1999
LB
Lawrence Taylor
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Pos
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1999
RB
Eric Dickerson
1998
MLB
Mike Singletary
1998
OT
Anthony Munoz
1997
Coach
Don Shula
1995
WR
Steve Largent
1994
DT
Randy White
1994
RB
Tony Dorsett
1993
RB
Walter Payton
1993
Coach
Chuck Noll
1993
QB
Dan Fouts
1991
K
Jan Stenerud
1991
G
John Hannah
1991
RB
Earl Campbell
1990
Coach
Tom Landry
1990
MLB
Jack Lambert
1990
RB
Franco Harris
1989
QB
Terry Bradshaw
1989
CB
Mel Blount
1988
OLB
Jack Ham
1987
G
Gene Upshaw
1987
OL
Jim Langer
1987
DT
Joe Greene
1986
S
Ken Houston
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1985
QB
Roger Staubach
1985
RB
O. J. Simpson
1984
CB
Willie Brown
1983
WR
Paul Warfield
1982
DT
Merlin Olsen
1981
QB/K
George Blanda
1980
C
Jim Otto
1980
DT
Bob Lilly
1980
DE
Deacon Jones
1979
QB
Johnny Unitas
1979
LB
Dick Butkus
1978
S
Larry Wilson
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MLB
Ray Nitschke
1978
WR
Lance Alworth
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QB
Bart Starr
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RB
Gale Sayers
1977
OT
Forrest Gregg
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G
Jim Parker
1973
WR
Raymond Berry
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RB
Ollie Matson
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Gino Marchetti
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Jim Brown
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Hugh McElhenny

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Don Tiny wrote:
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I heard Mac & Spiegs mention the same thing. I'm not so sure BOTH Lewis & Urlacher get in on the first ballot when their Pro Football Hall of Fame ballot comes up.


I'll bet you one American quarter they both get in 1st time.

I also predict Mac & Spiegs will get into the HoF, as long as they pay.


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I heard Mac & Spiegs mention the same thing. I'm not so sure BOTH Lewis & Urlacher get in on the first ballot when their Pro Football Hall of Fame ballot comes up.


I'll bet you one American quarter they both get in 1st time.

I also predict Mac & Spiegs will get into the HoF, as long as they pay.

By the way, Urlacher was just on with Tom & Marc up the dial. Their interview replays at 5:30P this afternoon.


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Here we go. Dan sounding personally offended by Garcia's comments. You aren't black, Dan.

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Here we go. Dan sounding personally offended by Garcia's comments. You aren't black, Dan.

Well neither is John Feinstein, and he discussed it in the "CBS Sports Minute" at around 11:20A.


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Here we go. Dan sounding personally offended by Garcia's comments. You aren't black, Dan.

Still makes the comments offensive.

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Here we go. Dan sounding personally offended by Garcia's comments. You aren't black, Dan.

Still makes the comments offensive.


Yes, the comments can be considered offensive, but I don't believe Dan can be offended by them.

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I'm suprised it is even in question whether Urlacher is worthy of HOF.

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I'm suprised it is even in question whether Urlacher is worthy of HOF.

On a national level, it's debatable. Locally, it's pretty obvious.


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I'm suprised it is even in question whether Urlacher is worthy of HOF.

On a national level, it's debatable. Locally, it's pretty obvious.


It's not debatable anywhere SHARK.

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Here we go. Dan sounding personally offended by Garcia's comments. You aren't black, Dan.

Still makes the comments offensive.


Yes, the comments can be considered offensive, but I don't believe Dan can be offended by them.

Did he state that he was personally offended? If so, then point taken.

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So many people "attacking" SHARK today.

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So many people "attacking" SHARK today.

"Brian Urlacher isn't a first-ballot Hall of Famer" is such impressive talking out of one's ass that I feel I ought to be charged admission.

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So many people "attacking" SHARK today.

If they're attacking me, OKC, I'm fair game. That's the beauty of being here. The Brian Urlacher debate, as well as on social media, is a prime example.

Do I think Urlacher is Canton-bound? Yes. Do I think he gets in on the first ballot? Not so sure, especially considering Ray Lewis won 2 Super Bowl rings including 1 in his final game in Super Bowl XLVII for the Ravens over the 49ers.

The part of this that's debatable to me is who else will be on the ballot, and you have to consider other guys who didn't make the cut before might make it by the time Urlacher's time comes. For all I know, there are guys I've never even heard of from before I was even born that might get in ahead of Urlacher. It doesn't seem fair, but it's not a perfect system either.


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