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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:44 am 
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"If the critics of the Bible dismiss the New Testament as reliable information, then they must also dismiss the reliability of the writings of Plato, Aristotle, Caesar, Homer, and the other authors mentioned in the chart at the beginning of the paper."

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Isn't it just the slightest bit arrogant to think your religion is superior to all others?


If you really believe, you have to think your religion is superior, don't you?

And your question right there is exactly why Islam is a religion on the rise and Christianity is on the decline. There are enough Muslims that believe in the superiority of there religion that they are willing to die for it with the sincere belief that they will be greeted immediately by 72 virgins. See if you can find a Christian willing to die for his belief in Christ.


I think that statement is spot on.

And the article below finds you 100K annually that are being killed for their christian faith.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/02 ... use-faith/

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leashyourkids wrote:
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My point is really simple.

When we as individuals get to decide our own interpretations of the bible, then you have no moral justification or authority to deny someone else the same thing.

With that in mind, you have no basis for criticizing those that try and use the bible to defend gay marriage for starters. They just choose their own interpretation. Just like you do.


Honest question: is it possible to NOT have your own interpretation of the Bible (or anything for that matter)? It seems to me that our own subjective reality does not allow for an objective interpretation of anything, let alone a 2,000 year old document.

I'm not defending Mini Ditka, just so we're clear.



I don't have a personal interpretation of what is written in the bible. So my answer would be yes.


I would argue that this is an impossible statement.



How so?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:20 pm 
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So, MD, why did you choose the Judeo-Christian faith, other than that's how you were raised? Looking forward to the discussion, buddy...


Yes, I was raised in a Christian home. But I made the decision when I was 9 years old I wanted to be a Christian and have it be my own personal faith. However, there are plenty of people who were raised in Christian homes or children of pastors who are no longer Christians and/or have strayed from the faith (i.e. Phil Jackson, Katy Perry, Jessica Simpson and others) (see list here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_children_of_clergy ). So it isn't a 1:1 thing where everyone who has Christian parents is a Christian.

There are people who do not grow up in Christians home who become Christians. But a lot of times they come to that conclusion when they are much older. The older you get the harder it is for a person to become a Christian. People get locked into their views and their pride tells, "You don't need the Bible or any God who tells you how to behave. That's just for weak minded people who have blind faith."

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Being Catholic would be a lot better if you didn't have to go to church so much. Why can't they just text message me some salvation once a week?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Isn't it just the slightest bit arrogant to think your religion is superior to all others?


If you really believe, you have to think your religion is superior, don't you?

And your question right there is exactly why Islam is a religion on the rise and Christianity is on the decline. There are enough Muslims that believe in the superiority of there religion that they are willing to die for it with the sincere belief that they will be greeted immediately by 72 virgins. See if you can find a Christian willing to die for his belief in Christ.


The reason why Islam is growing is probably because Muslims have a higher birth rate and in Muslim countries with Sharia law everyone must identify as a Muslim. So it's not as though they have any choice there. If you convert to Christian in certain countries you are put in prison and sometimes put to death. For Christians there converting is sometimes a death sentence. There are people in the United States who would die for their faith, but there is just not the same amount of persecution here that there is in other countries.

The reason why those Muslims blow themselves up is because they think that Allah will reward them heaven for killing in his name. When taken to its logical conclusion the religion of peace is not very peaceful. Allah is not a loving deity.

On the other hand Christianity allows for freedom: economic, social, personal and religious. There is the least amount of freedom in the countries that oppose Christianity (Iran, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, China, North Korea and the other former Communist countries). The Gospel message is essentially accept the sin offering of Christ, repent and receive God's love and forgiveness and share that with other people. The problem is that people want things their own way. God made man in his image and now man makes God in his image, except man's image of God is whatever a person wants him to be. But the freedom that God offers is essentially he allows each person to decide to follow him or not follow. If people don't want to follow him they can choose to live without him for eternity. God is not going to force you to love him or follow him, but there are consequences for rejecting him. He allows everyone the freedom to choose life or death.

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God looks like Kim Jong Il?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Being Catholic would be a lot better if you didn't have to go to church so much. Why can't they just text message me some salvation once a week?


1 hour out of 168 a week is really too much?

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Just watch mass on tv.

It's great.

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1 hour out of 168 a week is really too much?
It's a weekend hour though. Those are valuable. Again, a simple text of "Your sins are forgiven, you are going to heaven" would be sufficient.

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Just watch mass on tv.

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Just watch mass on tv.

It's great.


Church is one of those events where it's better actually be present there than to just watch it on TV. It's not like a sporting event that is always better on TV. Although during the week there are some good radio sermons on WMBI 90.1 that are worth checking out. I like this guy who is a pastor in the city: http://www.moodyradio.org/treasuredtruth/

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But if I go to church I have to wear pants.

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What a fucking jagoff. Small minded spiteful & insecure people live their lives belittling others. Berns is their poster child.


Well put Scorehead. Here's one time your broad generalization is spot on!

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But if I go to church I have to wear pants.


You could wear PJs? Just an overcoat?

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But if I go to church I have to wear pants.


I am starting a new pants-optional church. Would you like a pamphlet?

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I hope people who sent Ts&Ps also sent money, FWIW.


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But if I go to church I have to wear pants.


I am starting a new pants-optional church. Would you like a pamphlet?


i think there a few of those out there already...or maybe the pants-optional only applies to little boys


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Church is one of those events where it's better actually be present there than to just watch it on TV.
Yep. Just like fireworks, or a beer tasting.

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1 hour out of 168 a week is really too much?
It's a weekend hour though. Those are valuable. Again, a simple text of "Your sins are forgiven, you are going to heaven" would be sufficient.


That's true. If mass was on Tuesday night, I'd be willing to up the ante to a full two hours per week. I'd even be ok with Friday night at 5-7 as long they followed with a complimentary happy hour

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I'd go to mass every day if it were a work sponsored event!

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I'd go to mass every day if it were a work sponsored event!


Would you stay awake though?

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1 hour out of 168 a week is really too much?
It's a weekend hour though. Those are valuable. Again, a simple text of "Your sins are forgiven, you are going to heaven" would be sufficient.


That's true. If mass was on Tuesday night, I'd be willing to up the ante to a full two hours per week. I'd even be ok with Friday night at 5-7 as long they followed with a complimentary happy hour

Now you're talkin

A little less repentance little more celebration


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Mass is a celebration!

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Mass is a celebration!


So thats where the term Mass Celebration comes from?

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good dolphin wrote:
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1 hour out of 168 a week is really too much?
It's a weekend hour though. Those are valuable. Again, a simple text of "Your sins are forgiven, you are going to heaven" would be sufficient.


That's true. If mass was on Tuesday night, I'd be willing to up the ante to a full two hours per week. I'd even be ok with Friday night at 5-7 as long they followed with a complimentary happy hour

That's where the Orthodox Christians improved upon Catholicism. Going to service is a bit of a drag but cheap bar, pierogies, stuffed cabbage and sausage post service makes it somewhat worth it.


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Mass is a celebration!

But its not

I could call work a celebration of capitalism but that doesn't mean its fun.


I'm talking about an actual celebration where 75% of the attendees aren't counting down the minutes til its over


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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
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Mass is a celebration!


So thats where the term Mass Celebration comes from?


Not from me it doesn't.

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Being Catholic would be a lot better if you didn't have to go to church so much. Why can't they just text message me some salvation once a week?


you think you're too pretty for church.


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It's still better than being orthodox jewish. Friday sundown to Saturday sunup does not work with my social agenda.

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