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Bernstein: Pacers Now In Bulls’ Way, Too

By Dan Bernstein-
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(CBS) While all eyes are on the glamorous, victorious Heat, champions of the Eastern Conference, Bulls fans would be wise to worry about the losers.

The Pacers got caught in a storm in Game 7, overwhelmed by superior talent and experience to the point that they became skittish, uncertain and clumsy. The intelligence and force of one of basketball’s greatest-ever players was difficult enough for them to overcome, even without one temporarily-rejuvenated future Hall-of-Famer on one side, and another on the wing hitting threes.

The season ended for Indiana after an impressive scrap through the Hawks and the Knicks, finally bowing out only after pushing the favorites to the brink with physical interior play. They care about defense, and it is evident in their concentration and execution that the commitment goes beyond mere words.

The Bulls expect to return a finally-mentally-ready Derrick Rose to their lineup next year, leading a familiar starting group of now well-seasoned pros in what is perceived to be another static season of contending without really going for it. Gar Forman and John Paxson plan to retain as much salary-cap flexibility is possible for a luxury-tax offender, remodeling the bottom half of the roster with another merry band of cheap misfits for Tom Thibodeau to maximize and deploy. The regular-season wins will pile up again.

Problem is, now, the Pacers are better than the Bulls. And they might stay that way for a while.

Forward David West is a free agent, but most believe it likely that he re-signs. His comments have indicated nothing but a desire to remain a Pacer, the team is aware of his critical importance, and there is ample money available for a more than reasonable offer.

Talk of them using the amnesty provision on Danny Granger is wrong, since they already pushed that one-time button to jettison James Posey. Even so, Granger could still be an asset as the primary scoring option for their second unit, or a trade piece that helps them shore up that miserable bench: his expiring $14 million deal is attractive in itself.

The bigger issue is the rapid rise of their current players. Bulls fans can be as excited as they want about Jimmy Butler solidifying himself as a decent performer, but Paul George is now a genuine star. The 2013 NBA Most Improved Player and All-NBA 3rd-teamer is a two-way standout who has already taken the challenge of guarding Rose individually in the playoffs.

Center Roy Hibbert has surpassed the expectations many of us had for him as a plodding, pear-shaped kid out of college. He’s not fast, but he works to run the floor. He’s not quick, but his footwork is more polished. He has developed counters for his primary moves in the post, and learned to defend the basket without reaching and fouling. The height and weight can’t be taught.

Lance Stephenson merited defensive attention from LeBron James, and is getting better and more aware with every minute he plays. Few in the league are as difficult to contain end-to-end off a defensive rebound.

And coach Frank Vogel’s flinty, pugnacious style has been readily accepted. He clearly has their attention.

All it takes is one superior team to make a mockery of a supposed championship window, and the Heat have a current hold on the East. Their reign may be shorter-lived than previously believed, though, now that the miles on Dwyane Wade are evident, Chris Bosh still struggles to define his game, and contract clocks tick.

What’s too bad for the Bulls is that somebody in their own division appears closer to calling “next.”


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I agree that Bernstein is trolling, but his premise is not inaccurate. The Pacers are better than the Bulls. Even back in November/December when people on this board said the Bulls would win the Central, I said "Nuh uh...Indiana is the best team in the Central." With Derrick Rose healthy it's a closer race, but the Pacers have more talent and their marquee star (Paul George) is probably more of an asset at this point than our marquee star (Rose).

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
That's not inaccurate. The Pacers are better than the Bulls. Even back in November/December when people on this board said the Bulls would win the Central, I said "Nuh uh...Indiana is the best team in the Central." With Derrick Rose healthy it's a closer race, but the Pacers have more talent and their marquee star (Paul George) is probably more of an asset at this point than our marquee star (Rose).

Yeah, I just read it and was about to say "What was wrong with what he said?"

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
I agree that Bernstein is trolling, but his premise is not inaccurate. The Pacers are better than the Bulls. Even back in November/December when people on this board said the Bulls would win the Central, I said "Nuh uh...Indiana is the best team in the Central." With Derrick Rose healthy it's a closer race, but the Pacers have more talent and their marquee star (Paul George) is probably more of an asset at this point than our marquee star (Rose).

100% agree.

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
I agree that Bernstein is trolling, but his premise is not inaccurate. The Pacers are better than the Bulls. Even back in November/December when people on this board said the Bulls would win the Central, I said "Nuh uh...Indiana is the best team in the Central." With Derrick Rose healthy it's a closer race, but the Pacers have more talent and their marquee star (Paul George) is probably more of an asset at this point than our marquee star (Rose).


completely agree as well, Kid. He is spot on, The Bulls are parked directly in Basketball Purgatory with little hope for the future at this point.

Things cam change but the Bulls front office gives me little hope.


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I also don't think the article is that far from reality, but I do think David West is being slightly overrated here. He's a soon-to-be 33 year old undersized PF who doesn't rebound well enough for the position. He's got a lot of miles and he's already suffered a major knee injury. He's on his way out sooner rather than later. George and Hibbert are problems for the Bulls, but adding West to the picture doesn't do much for me. I still see the teams as evenly matched unless Indy is able to upgrade by either getting a healthy and effective Granger back, or adding another scoring threat to the roster.

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Vogel seems to be Beerstain's new Coachy McCoach to gush over, although I think he may have been getting a boner over him 2 years ago when the Bulls played the Pacers. I'm not surprised he would use "flinty" as a way to describe an NBA coach, given his tendency to fetishize pro basketball coaches.

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Granger is going to be amnestied right?

Should/can the Bulls get him?


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Zizou wrote:
Vogel seems to be Beerstain's new Coachy McCoach to gush over, although I think he may have been getting a boner over him 2 years ago when the Bulls played the Pacers. I'm not surprised he would use "flinty" as a way to describe an NBA coach, given his tendency to fetishize pro basketball coaches.


Weren't they dismissing him as recently as earlier this year or last year? I remember them saying he's nothing special. But then yesterday I thought I heard them saying that the Bulls do not enjoy a huge coaching mismatch against the Pacers? Am I right? I'm more sure about the first issue than I am about what they may have said yesterday regarding Vogel vs Thibs.

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Zizou wrote:
Vogel seems to be Beerstain's new Coachy McCoach to gush over, although I think he may have been getting a boner over him 2 years ago when the Bulls played the Pacers. I'm not surprised he would use "flinty" as a way to describe an NBA coach, given his tendency to fetishize pro basketball coaches.

You are correct, sir


Yesterday he mentioned one of the reasons the Bulls would lose is that the Thibs advantage would be non existant.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Granger is going to be amnestied right?

Should/can the Bulls get him?

I've thought about that. I would definitely consider it. Granger is a legit scorer. You don't really need him to do much else...just someone who can put the ball in the basket without Rose's help.

I'd still prefer Kevin Martin personally though.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Granger is going to be amnestied right?

Should/can the Bulls get him?

They've already used their amnesty on James Posey.

He's an expiring deal next year, so they might be able to get value for him.

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Douchebag wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Granger is going to be amnestied right?

Should/can the Bulls get him?

They've already used their amnesty on James Posey.

He's an expiring dea next yearl, so they might be able to get value for him.

Im sorry, but you're wrong.

None other than Dan Bernstein and Terrence Boers spoke of it like it was a foregone conclusion yesterday.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Granger is going to be amnestied right?

Should/can the Bulls get him?

They've already used their amnesty on James Posey.

He's an expiring dea next yearl, so they might be able to get value for him.

Im sorry, but you're wrong.

None other than Dan Bernstein and Terrence Boers spoke of it like it was a foregone conclusion yesterday.

http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2011/12/paces-use-amnesty-provision-to-waive-james-posey/

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I don't know that it's as clear cut as that. The Pacer's only won 49 games in a very weak Eastern Conference. They are clearly flawed with a weak bench and inconsistent offense. Their reputation benefited immensely by taking the Heat to 7 - but I would argue that was in large part due to the Heat's limitations down low which made Indiana a tough match-up for them.
The obvious key for the Bulls is whether Rose comes back as good as he was pre-injury. If so, I like the Bulls starting line-up better than the Pacers. Bench play factors in as well and that's difficult to assess at this point.

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Granger is going to be amnestied right?

Should/can the Bulls get him?

I've thought about that. I would definitely consider it. Granger is a legit scorer. You don't really need him to do much else...just someone who can put the ball in the basket without Rose's help.

I'd still prefer Kevin Martin personally though.

Id take either

Is Martin available?

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Douchebag wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Granger is going to be amnestied right?

Should/can the Bulls get him?

They've already used their amnesty on James Posey.

He's an expiring dea next yearl, so they might be able to get value for him.

Im sorry, but you're wrong.

None other than Dan Bernstein and Terrence Boers spoke of it like it was a foregone conclusion yesterday.

http://www.eightpointsnineseconds.com/2011/12/paces-use-amnesty-provision-to-waive-james-posey/

Looks like that website is wrong too


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I assume you're joking, as Dan said in his article the same exact thing about Posey. I made a bet with FF before the season that the Pacers would finish with a better record than the Bulls. They're a better team than the Bulls even with Derrick healthy.

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I also don't think the article is that far from reality, but I do think David West is being slightly overrated here. He's a soon-to-be 33 year old undersized PF who doesn't rebound well enough for the position. He's got a lot of miles and he's already suffered a major knee injury. He's on his way out sooner rather than later. George and Hibbert are problems for the Bulls, but adding West to the picture doesn't do much for me. I still see the teams as evenly matched unless Indy is able to upgrade by either getting a healthy and effective Granger back, or adding another scoring threat to the roster.


The article is solid but there are a few things that he fails to mention. That is not a championship backcourt and their bench is horrendous. The Bulls competed with this same Heat team with NBA castoffs playing significant roles. The Bulls also won 2-3 fewer games without the league MVP playing a single minute. It appears that he always wishes to shortchange the Bulls. David West is not an integral part of anyone's future. He is old and has already suffered a significant injury. The Bulls are set up pretty nicely to make a legitimade run at it. Bernstein is really out to lunch on this one.

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I assume you're joking, as Dan said in his article the same exact thing about Posey. I made a bet with FF before the season that the Pacers would finish with a better record than the Bulls. They're a better team than the Bulls even with Derrick healthy.


Even though they finished about four games ahead of a Rose-less Bulls team with Noah and Hinrich hurting?

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I assume you're joking, as Dan said in his article the same exact thing about Posey. I made a bet with FF before the season that the Pacers would finish with a better record than the Bulls. They're a better team than the Bulls even with Derrick healthy.
The Bulls would have won more than 49 games with a healthy Rose.

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I assume you're joking, as Dan said in his article the same exact thing about Posey.

Not joking.

They had a whole conversation about the Pacers and mentioned using the amnesty on Granger several times.


This was yesterday sometime between 2 and 5


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It was just this time last year that he was making this same point though with different teams (Heat and Thunder). The Bulls were going to be in NBA hell because they would never be able to beat these teams. What a difference a year makes.

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I looked up some Beerstain columns from April 2011 to see what he said about Vogel. There's some real gems in the comment sections for this piece: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/04/22/bernstein-bulls-above-the-thugs/


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bernestein never played a sport he is just a gay talking about sports who knows more about playing in the nba gaybbernstein or stacy king?

Even Shark made a predictably long-winded redundant appearance.

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So basically, no reason to pay attention to the Bulls for another year at least. Thanks Dan!

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I'll admit it's a simplistic way of looking at things, but I tend to fall in line with that kind of thinking currently. I do believe we'd have a Heat-OKC rematch if Westbrook didn't get hurt. I also think the Bulls wouldn't be able to beat the Heat or OKC this year with a healthy roster.

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I'll admit it's a simplistic way of looking at things, but I tend to fall in line with that kind of thinking currently. I do believe we'd have a Heat-OKC rematch if Westbrook didn't get hurt. I also think the Bulls wouldn't be able to beat the Heat or OKC this year with a healthy roster.

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I don't know that it's as clear cut as that. The Pacer's only won 49 games in a very weak Eastern Conference. They are clearly flawed with a weak bench and inconsistent offense. Their reputation benefited immensely by taking the Heat to 7 - but I would argue that was in large part due to the Heat's limitations down low which made Indiana a tough match-up for them.
The obvious key for the Bulls is whether Rose comes back as good as he was pre-injury. If so, I like the Bulls starting line-up better than the Pacers. Bench play factors in as well and that's difficult to assess at this point.


I agree. Also, that the Pacers match up better against the Heat than the Bulls do does not mean anything when it comes to Bulls vs Pacers.

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