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I see many hispanic and asian people on facebook and in real life who throw around ni#### like its no big deal

Is it less offensive than when a white person uses it?

It make me uncomfortable, but when a black person says it I dont even blink


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rogers park bryan wrote:
I see many hispanic and asian people on facebook and in real life who throw around ni#### like its no big deal

Is it less offensive than when a white person uses it?

It make me uncomfortable, but when a black person says it I dont even blink


You hear people in real life use the "N" word? Really? I cant remember the last time I heard someone say "n#####".

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rogers park bryan wrote:
I see many hispanic and asian people on facebook and in real life who throw around ni#### like its no big deal

Is it less offensive than when a white person uses it?

It make me uncomfortable, but when a black person says it I dont even blink


You hear people in real life use the "N" word? Really? I cant remember the last time I heard someone say "n#####".

Yes.

Mostly its with the A on the end. Not malicious.


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Keeping Score wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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I see many hispanic and asian people on facebook and in real life who throw around ni#### like its no big deal

Is it less offensive than when a white person uses it?

It make me uncomfortable, but when a black person says it I dont even blink


You hear people in real life use the "N" word? Really? I cant remember the last time I heard someone say "n#####".

Yes.

Mostly its with the A on the end. Not malicious.


MANY in Wisconsin attach an 'er' to the end. It's unfortunate.

Yeah, the ones I hear for the most part arent calling someone a name. Just a slang term


Like a guy I used to work with who is mexican posted "Paul George is my Ni**a" as his FB status.

Just seemed weird


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I wonder what makes the two so different?


Do you really not know?

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I guess the white equivalent is honkey. Or honky. However it's spelled.

I've never been offended by that word as it's just such a ridiculous word to begin with.

The gap between the N-word and the H-word is beyond signifcant. I wonder what makes the two so different?

There is no equivalent.

Certainly not with white people.

the slurs for asains, hispanics etc are close, but nothing compares to that word with it's history


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I wonder what makes the two so different?


Do you really not know?


I understand much of it, but it's a little amazing people can go from possibly wanting to hurt others after hearing 'er' to possibly wanting to hug or fist bump one another by replacing 'er' with 'a'.

If the 'er' version is so offensive, me personally would find a completely different word to show my adoration for others.


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Keeping Score wrote:
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I wonder what makes the two so different?


Do you really not know?


I understand much of it, but it's a little amazing people can go from possibly wanting to hurt others after hearing 'er' to possibly wanting to hug or fist bump one another by replacing 'er' with 'a'.

If the 'er' version is so offensive, me personally would find a completely different word to show my adoration for others.



It's not the pronunciation. It's the context.

A sociologist might tell you that young brothers have co-opted the word, in an attempt to rob it of its power to hurt. I'm not sure if that has worked or not. Some older black guys that I grew up with in Evanston are appalled by any use of the word or its variations. A lot of kids might laugh at them and call them cranks or old heads.

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A sociologist might tell you that young brothers have co-opted the word, in an attempt to rob it of its power to hurt. I'm not sure if that has worked or not..


All it has done has let white people be comfortable using the word out in the open.


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Why can't we call Japs "Nips"? And why do we call it Japan anyway? The real name (afaik) is 'The Isle of Nipon' - thus the Nips gimmick I would assume.

Why do I ask such shitty questions?

Why am I asking you?


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Well, the whitey brain trust that is myself, Scorehead, KS, DT, JORR, and Peeps have come up with BUPKIS


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Keeping Score wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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rogers park bryan wrote:
I see many hispanic and asian people on facebook and in real life who throw around ni#### like its no big deal

Is it less offensive than when a white person uses it?

It make me uncomfortable, but when a black person says it I dont even blink


You hear people in real life use the "N" word? Really? I cant remember the last time I heard someone say "n#####".

Yes.

Mostly its with the A on the end. Not malicious.


MANY in Wisconsin attach an 'er' to the end. It's unfortunate.


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In case you are not aware NIGS is in Baraboo Wisconsin. AKA Wisconsin Dells.

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Is it less offensive than when a white person uses it?



Is this a bit?


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Either you guys are sheltered or I find myself in low class situations because I hear racial/ethnic slurs just about every day.

It seems to me it really isn't meant in a racial way more just a way to personalize anger than the general FU.

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Either you guys are sheltered or I find myself in low class situations because I hear racial/ethnic slurs just about every day.

It seems to me it really isn't meant in a racial way more just a way to personalize anger than the general FU.


That's my experience as well. And I would agree with you.

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It's totally unacceptable. The only reason to use a word like that, or even a derivative, is to further portray the same type of ideals that have been ingrained in previous generations. I doubt these same people would call a black person that with or without changing the one letter.

To put it another way, if you don't hate black people, why use a word designed to hate black people?

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why are you limiting the discussion to one race

My friends sometimes call me a pollacka. I don't get angry as long as they add the a at the end.

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good dolphin wrote:
why are you limiting the discussion to one race
Read the original post.
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My friends sometimes call me a pollacka. I don't get angry as long as they add the a at the end.
I agree there is some parallels, but ethnic descriptions with negative stereotypes is a little different than a completely different word created in hatred against a specific race.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
...but ethnic descriptions with negative stereotypes is a little different than a completely different word created in hatred against a specific race.


That's absolutely true. But I think dolphin's point is that I can call him a Polack and it doesn't mean I hate Polish people.

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Where did the N word come from? One good old boy in Alabama just made something up that stuck?

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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...but ethnic descriptions with negative stereotypes is a little different than a completely different word created in hatred against a specific race.


That's absolutely true. But I think dolphin's point is that I can call him a Polack and it doesn't mean I hate Polish people.
Polack is like a lot of other words that portray certain stereotypes. There are words that are a different class that are specifically designed as a way to spread hatred about that race/religion/ethnicity.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's totally unacceptable. The only reason to use a word like that, or even a derivative, is to further portray the same type of ideals that have been ingrained in previous generations. I doubt these same people would call a black person that with or without changing the one letter.

To put it another way, if you don't hate black people, why use a word designed to hate black people?


Agree with this entirely, the thing that bothers me the most about the word is the fact that black people still use it. Makes absolutely no sense to me. Never understood that.


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Where did the N word come from? One good old boy in Alabama just made something up that stuck?


I'm not an etymologist, but I would imagine it comes from Niger. I think BRick may be wrong in saying it was a word designed to hate. I don't think it took on its derogatory connotations until some time in the 1800s and the word is much older than that.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
It's totally unacceptable. The only reason to use a word like that, or even a derivative, is to further portray the same type of ideals that have been ingrained in previous generations. I doubt these same people would call a black person that with or without changing the one letter.

To put it another way, if you don't hate black people, why use a word designed to hate black people?


Agree with this entirely, the thing that bothers me the most about the word is the fact that black people still use it. Makes absolutely no sense to me. Never understood that.


I'd ask the brothers here if such a viewpoint is as offensive as using the word. You may be just another white guy trying to tell the black man what he can and can't say.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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It's totally unacceptable. The only reason to use a word like that, or even a derivative, is to further portray the same type of ideals that have been ingrained in previous generations. I doubt these same people would call a black person that with or without changing the one letter.

To put it another way, if you don't hate black people, why use a word designed to hate black people?


Agree with this entirely, the thing that bothers me the most about the word is the fact that black people still use it. Makes absolutely no sense to me. Never understood that.


I'd ask the brothers here if such a viewpoint is as offensive as using the word. You may be just another white guy trying to tell the black man what he can and can't say.


I'm not telling anyone what to say or not say, just saying that my opinion is that perpetuating a word that is derived from hate doesn't make any sense to me.


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Where did the N word come from? One good old boy in Alabama just made something up that stuck?


dave chappelle pretty much figured this one out back on def comedy jam

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I'm not telling anyone what to say or not say, just saying that my opinion is that perpetuating a word that is derived from hate doesn't make any sense to me.


Like I said, I'm not sure it's derived from hate. And anyway, I think the whole point of blacks using it is to take it back and own it themselves. Obviously, not everyone agrees with that concept. As I stated earlier in this thread, I have black friends that I grew up with who share your viewpoint. But they're old guys. I would suggest language and usage is mainly shaped by young people. I doubt many of us would use "gay" to mean happy these days.

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Where did the N word come from? One good old boy in Alabama just made something up that stuck?


I'm not an etymologist, but I would imagine it comes from Niger. I think BRick may be wrong in saying it was a word designed to hate. I don't think it took on its derogatory connotations until some time in the 1800s and the word is much older than that.
If you want to get technical, I'm sure the name derived from the river in Africa. That's just how words work though. Most of the time, there is some reason why those collections of letters showed up.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Where did the N word come from? One good old boy in Alabama just made something up that stuck?


I'm not an etymologist, but I would imagine it comes from Niger. I think BRick may be wrong in saying it was a word designed to hate. I don't think it took on its derogatory connotations until some time in the 1800s and the word is much older than that.
If you want to get technical, I'm sure the name derived from the river in Africa. That's just how words work though. Most of the time, there is some reason why those collections of letters showed up.


Right, but I'm saying I don't think it was invented as a slur. I would never call anyone "colored", but at one time that wasn't considered derogatory.

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