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One of the things that I don't want them to do if Lebron James fails is point to the generic "fire" stuff.
It's not really generic with Lebron. He has a history of quitting.


i wouldn't say that this is one of those instances. It just seems that the Lebron is the greatest of all time crowd conveniently uses this in cases in which he fails to prove that he is the greatest. Rather than admit they may have exaggerated some they cling to the notion that he is not being aggressive.
I agree with you, but I wouldn't accept the excuse that someone can be great and have a history of quitting.

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One of the things that I don't want them to do if Lebron James fails is point to the generic "fire" stuff. That is something that is used way too often when a superstar guy fails. The whole fire and passion garbage. The reason that Lebron James failed is because he could not consistently hit the jumpshot. Popovich made a concerted effort to ensure that he could not get to the hole. It was almost embarassing to see the greatest player in the world reluctant to shoot a 15 foot jump shot. The larger question is why hasn't he come up with a consistent jump shot. This was old school basketball. They are giving him the jump shot and daring him to beat them with it. Leonard is closing on the shot but it is a wide open shot and James can not hit it consistently. He can hit a jump shot but not consistently. That is what Popovich is banking on. It has nothing to do with being more aggressive. That analysis is cheap and too often used to compensate for an analysts or in this case radio personality's laziness

It's more than just him missing his jumper though. He has only shot like 6 free throws in the entire series. If Jordan's jumper wasn't falling you can bet your ass he would be getting himself to the line anyway he could to keep his team in a game.


Doug Collins backed up this assessment on Mike and Mike this morning.

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That is the same argument that they used two years ago. They wanted him to be more aggressive against Dallas. Lebron is not a go to scorer never has been probably never will be. That is why the talk a few years ago centered on who takes the last shot he or Wade. What I find fascinating is that when he makes the pass and the team wins he is lauded for his unselfishness and headiness. When he makes the pass and they lose he is criticized for not being aggressive. The same people that are criticizing him for not being aggressive are the same people that praised him a few days earlier (during Pacer series) for getting his teammates involved early. Which one is it?

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i was the first to realize in 1998 that dan bernstein would become so good that he wouldnt even want a big national contract.

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That is the same argument that they used two years ago. They wanted him to be more aggressive against Dallas. Lebron is not a go to scorer never has been probably never will be. That is why the talk a few years ago centered on who takes the last shot he or Wade. What I find fascinating is that when he makes the pass and the team wins he is lauded for his unselfishness and headiness. When he makes the pass and they lose he is criticized for not being aggressive. The same people that are criticizing him for not being aggressive are the same people that praised him a few days earlier (during Pacer series) for getting his teammates involved early. Which one is it?


ive been noticing that too.. he seems like he could score any time he wants to, but he really cant. hes too big, and doesnt want to shoot long 2's.

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I've wondered for a long time why Jordan is the default comparison for Lebron. They've never been similar stylistically in their games. Lebron is more of a Dominique/Pippen/Magic hybrid.

I agree with you as far as their style of play are concerned, but the national media hype around LeBron as the "greatest basketball player alive" just invites the Jordan comparison. I don't think Magic Johnson would have let his team go down like LeBron did in game 3 either. And Nique wouldn't have been in the finals to begin with.

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
I've wondered for a long time why Jordan is the default comparison for Lebron. They've never been similar stylistically in their games. Lebron is more of a Dominique/Pippen/Magic hybrid.


Jordan will be the default comparison for every wing player that heretofore comes along and dares to be great. It is unfair to a lot of them and does them a disservice. The NBA itself is to blame because they have this perpetual quest to find the next "Jordan". That is why Kobe was regarded by most fans as the best player in the league when the Lakers brass would surely have taken Tim Duncan straight up for him. There are no centers that can currently be regarded as the best of anything but it will be interesting to see what the analysis will look like when one comes along

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LBJ does have a good jumper though. The most noteworthy example of that for me came in 2011 against the Bulls. He was nailing j after j in the elimination game in the fourth. That's when many thought he truly became a clutch player, but then he disappeared against Dallas.

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Why is Jim Rome "burning" on the DBacks fight last night when there is game 1 of the NHL Finals tonight AND a blowout in game 3 of the NBA Finals last night? Not phenomenal.

Dan's really got his super serious, super enthusiastic, email reading voice going today....big. boy. emails.


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One of the things that I don't want them to do if Lebron James fails is point to the generic "fire" stuff. That is something that is used way too often when a superstar guy fails. The whole fire and passion garbage. The reason that Lebron James failed is because he could not consistently hit the jumpshot. Popovich made a concerted effort to ensure that he could not get to the hole. It was almost embarassing to see the greatest player in the world reluctant to shoot a 15 foot jump shot. The larger question is why hasn't he come up with a consistent jump shot. This was old school basketball. They are giving him the jump shot and daring him to beat them with it. Leonard is closing on the shot but it is a wide open shot and James can not hit it consistently. He can hit a jump shot but not consistently. That is what Popovich is banking on. It has nothing to do with being more aggressive. That analysis is cheap and too often used to compensate for an analysts or in this case radio personality's laziness

It's more than just him missing his jumper though. He has only shot like 6 free throws in the entire series. If Jordan's jumper wasn't falling you can bet your ass he would be getting himself to the line anyway he could to keep his team in a game.


Doug Collins backed up this assessment on Mike and Mike this morning.

One of the reasons that he has shot too few free throws is because the Spurs are clogging the lane and daring him to shoot. If he simply charges in for the sake of drawing a foul call he might draw a charging call. Jordan was quicker than James and he also was a much better slasher. Jordan would have consistently knocked down the mid range jump shot where as James can not. That is probably the biggest difference that I see. I don't recall defenses laying off Jordan the way the Spurs are laying off James

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LBJ does have a good jumper though. The most noteworthy example of that for me came in 2011 against the Bulls. He was nailing j after j in the elimination game in the fourth. That's when many thought he truly became a clutch player, but then he disappeared against Dallas.

Honestly his jumper seems to come and go alot more than a "pure" shooter. I know James isn't a shooter he is a super athletic wing. Now if you want a guard with an ugly ass shot may I present to you Dwayne Wade.

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Sounds like some great NBA talk at the Stanley Cup pregame headquarters........bar needs to ask for a refund.

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One of the reasons that he has shot too few free throws is because the Spurs are clogging the lane and daring him to shoot. If he simply charges in for the sake of drawing a foul call he might draw a charging call. Jordan was quicker than James and he also was a much better slasher. Jordan would have consistently knocked down the mid range jump shot where as James can not. That is probably the biggest difference that I see. I don't recall defenses laying off Jordan the way the Spurs are laying off James

Yeah I mean they are leaving him and Wade wide open on the wing and daring them both to shoot it. I am not taking anything away from the Spurs or Popovich's game plan I just feel like the passivity of James in this situation is kind of unprecedented as far as bad ass top of the line basketball players goes. I mean Kobe went 6 for 24 against the Celtics a few years back but he kept chucking it.

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LBJ does have a good jumper though. The most noteworthy example of that for me came in 2011 against the Bulls. He was nailing j after j in the elimination game in the fourth. That's when many thought he truly became a clutch player, but then he disappeared against Dallas.


its good, but it doesnt look too natural. you can tell he really tries to keep form, and it does work, but he cant hit off balance stuff anywhere near like mj could.

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first time I've been eagerly waiting a ZZ segment.


He did it again yesterday, as well as today. Yesterday he said Kromer is out after undergoing a procedure on his hip, which is "interesting" because Martz underwent a similar procedure when he was here, and the Bears went to the championship game that year. Does anyone sit this guy down and talk about things like logic, good and bad correlation, premises in an argument, etc?

Then today he suggested since most of the interesting guys on the Bears that he's met have been TEs or WRs, the guys who tend to be further away from the line of scrimmage are usually more interesting people or something.

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first time I've been eagerly waiting a ZZ segment.


He did it again yesterday, as well as today. Yesterday he said Kromer is out after undergoing a procedure on his hip, which is "interesting" because Martz underwent a similar procedure when he was here, and the Bears went to the championship game that year. Does anyone sit this guy down and talk about things like logic, good and bad correlation, premises in an argument, etc?

Then today he suggested since most of the interesting guys on the Bears that he's met have been TEs or WRs, the guys who tend to be further away from the line of scrimmage are usually more interesting people or something.

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:lol: I mean this is undoubtedly dumb, but why are they having a daily Bears report in June? Not much to talk about right now.

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Yes, I did laugh when Dan asked him "so are you throwing Roberto Garza under the bus (since he's closest to the ball)?" Zaidman is an unfunny clown, but much like funny clowns he still makes me sad.

Ok, the world is now right - Rome "burned" on the NBA Finals last night in his lastest Sports Spurt...err, Minute. I expect him to be doing some soccer smack during tomorrow's Minutes.


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first time I've been eagerly waiting a ZZ segment.


He did it again yesterday, as well as today. Yesterday he said Kromer is out after undergoing a procedure on his hip, which is "interesting" because Martz underwent a similar procedure when he was here, and the Bears went to the championship game that year. Does anyone sit this guy down and talk about things like logic, good and bad correlation, premises in an argument, etc?

Then today he suggested since most of the interesting guys on the Bears that he's met have been TEs or WRs, the guys who tend to be further away from the line of scrimmage are usually more interesting people or something.

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:lol: I mean this is undoubtedly dumb, but why are they having a daily Bears report in June? Not much to talk about right now.


Because a mandatory minicamp is currently taking place.

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Since Goff blocked me for making fun of his stupidity, I can't see his tweets. However, that is quite a premise. Making fun of San Antonio? I've been to both Atlanta and San Antonio, and I would choose San Antonio without a doubt. You could make an argument that Atlanta is one of the worst cities in America, based on crime rate, traffic, lack of native Atlantans, etc. Does this guy really think that Atlanta is undoubtedly better than San Antonio?

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first time I've been eagerly waiting a ZZ segment.


He did it again yesterday, as well as today. Yesterday he said Kromer is out after undergoing a procedure on his hip, which is "interesting" because Martz underwent a similar procedure when he was here, and the Bears went to the championship game that year. Does anyone sit this guy down and talk about things like logic, good and bad correlation, premises in an argument, etc?

Then today he suggested since most of the interesting guys on the Bears that he's met have been TEs or WRs, the guys who tend to be further away from the line of scrimmage are usually more interesting people or something.

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:lol: I mean this is undoubtedly dumb, but why are they having a daily Bears report in June? Not much to talk about right now.


Because a mandatory minicamp is currently taking place.

Oh right on. I didn't even realize that was going on right now.

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Since Goff blocked me for making fun of his stupidity, I can't see his tweets. However, that is quite a premise. Making fun of San Antonio? I've been to both Atlanta and San Antonio, and I would choose San Antonio without a doubt. You could make an argument that Atlanta is one of the worst cities in America, based on crime rate, traffic, lack of native Atlantans, etc. Does this guy really think that Atlanta is undoubtedly better than San Antonio?


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Yes, I did laugh when Dan asked him "so are you throwing Roberto Garza under the bus (since he's closest to the ball)?" Zaidman is an unfunny clown, but much like funny clowns he still makes me sad.


Was Zaidman just trying to be funny though? If so, that would have come off much better than it did. I could see how he was tossing up that garbage for B&B to shoot down for laughs, but given his history, I could also seem him as being serious. He seems to have a better relationship with Bernstein than Shuster does. I remember Dan corrected Zaidman's use of "literally," and the next time an update came around, Zaidman tried to avoid using that word when it could have been used correctly. Dan pointed that out, and both had a laugh about it. But I don't know if that's enough to suggest that Zaidman doesn't mind Dan correcting him every now and then. But then Shuster incorrectly defined "intimidation" with Dan during a debate about Rose, and they got into this heated argument with Dan implying Shuster was stupid. I also remember Dan taking shots from time to time when Shuster would engage in some embarrassing malapropisms.

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LBJ does have a good jumper though. The most noteworthy example of that for me came in 2011 against the Bulls. He was nailing j after j in the elimination game in the fourth. That's when many thought he truly became a clutch player, but then he disappeared against Dallas.


its good, but it doesnt look too natural. you can tell he really tries to keep form, and it does work, but he cant hit off balance stuff anywhere near like mj could.


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Sure, I agree with pretty much all of this. I just think he's got it in him, bad form or not, to hit enough of them to sustain or chip away at a lead. There's no doubt SA is going a great job on him, but like many of you all have said, it's also curiously mental with him. More than his shot, can we say his desire to take games over comes and goes in a really weird way?

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Yes, I did laugh when Dan asked him "so are you throwing Roberto Garza under the bus (since he's closest to the ball)?" Zaidman is an unfunny clown, but much like funny clowns he still makes me sad.


Was Zaidman just trying to be funny though? If so, that would have come off much better than it did. I could see how he was tossing up that garbage for B&B to shoot down for laughs, but given his history, I could also seem him as being serious. He seems to have a better relationship with Bernstein than Shuster does. I remember Dan corrected Zaidman's use of "literally," and the next time an update came around, Zaidman tried to avoid using that word when it could have been used correctly. Dan pointed that out, and both had a laugh about it. But I don't know if that's enough to suggest that Zaidman doesn't mind Dan correcting him every now and then. But then Shuster incorrectly defined "intimidation" with Dan during a debate about Rose, and they got into this heated argument with Dan implying Shuster was stupid. I also remember Dan taking shots from time to time when Shuster would engage in some embarrassing malapropisms.


Schuster rips Bernsteinian interpretations of the passing Chicago sports scene quite frequently.

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Schuster rips Bernsteinian interpretations of the passing Chicago sports scene quite frequently.


I guess I haven't heard Schuster enough outside of updates and Bulls reports to know what he thinks about various issues. The only time I did hear him for a prolonged period of time was the day after Lovie got fired, and all the regular hosts were off for a holiday. He was the anti-Bernstein that day with the callers, but also with kind of discussion he tried to have about Lovie and the Bears' coaching search. I found it too shallow, but to be fair it was breaking news and I'm sure no morning/afternoon host had anything prepared.

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Yes, replaying the interview Mac and Porky did this morning with Bowman. The interview wasn't that good in the morning, and is worse now. Can't wait for stories of the Bernstein's experience at the game tonight. Hopefully he is sitting next to some rowdy fans.

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I disagree with those who think Goff kept this show fun. He was as big a part of the problem as anyone and that tweet is a perfect example of why.

Trying and failing to rip "dumb people" but coming across dumber than anyone in the process


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I disagree with those who think Goff kept this show fun. He was as big a part of the problem as anyone and that tweet is a perfect example of why.

Trying and failing to rip "dumb people" but coming across dumber than anyone in the process


I guess cross off S.A. on Goffs possible future employment list.


THIS.

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I guess cross off S.A. on Goffs possible future employment list.


I agree with this part of your post. Bernstein is a bit older and more established, so it may be safer for him to preemptively burn as many bridges as he has. It makes no sense for Goff to do so at this point in his career. You can be critical without being over the top incendiary, too bad Goff doesn't realize the difference.

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As Terry (on today's show) just starting saying "yah, that's right, that's exactly right, that I was trying to say" I recalled something from this show that was a great example of Terry's ridiculous lying.

At some point Dan was talking about the parade of Chicago puds that they'd trot out, and wondered about Dennis Farina. He asked "have you SEEN that commercial he's in?" to which Terry quickly replied "yup, I have!" -- the next two minutes was Terry stuttering and stammering until Dan finally told him what he thought was odd about it (sounded like he had a stroke), and Terry started with the "ummm, yah, something just seemed off". Why does he do this? I would absolutely bet the next mortgage payment that Terry has NEVER seen whatever commercial Dan is talking about, yet Terry has some sort of compulsive need to immediately agree and state that he knows exactly what it is Dan is talking about. I know it's trivial, but I just don't understand why he does it....and, moreover, how Dan has such a giant tolerance for it on a daily basis (when the callers try his patience 2 seconds into their call).


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