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Should she go to jail
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 Post subject: What do you think?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:56 am 
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Our friends at HLN are discussing a story out of Marietta, Georgia about a mother who is facing two years of jail time after her 4-year-old son was hit and killed by a drunk driver while she and her children were crossing the street. Now, hopefully you're asking yourself how it is that the mother of a boy slain after being hit by a drunk driver while crossing the street could be facing jail time at all, and the answer is because "she chose to cross the street at the bus stop, instead of the nearest crosswalk, three-tenths of a mile away. In July 2011, the mom in question, Raquel Nelson (pictured left with her now deceased son), "was convicted of … three misdemeanors: second-degree homicide by a vehicle, crossing roadway elsewhere than a crosswalk and reckless conduct." She received a sentence of one year probation and 40 hours of community service, but has chosen a retrial which begins today. According to HLN, "She now faces up to two years behind bars." The driver, Jerry Guy, "fled the scene after the accident but later admitted being involved, according to CNN affiliate WXIA-TV. He was sentenced to five years in prison but served only six months. He is serving the remainder of the sentence on probation," CNN noted in July of 2011. Nelson's son A.J. died in April 2010. This woman has been on trial for three years while grieving for the death of her son in what was an accident caused by a drunk driver. If Nelson were to be ticketed at all, to be made an example of (because she's a black single mother and American society loves to make an example of black single mothers), the only charge that seems reasonable in this case is "crossing roadway elsewhere than a crosswalk." There's no doubt that pedestrians need to obey rules and watch out for their own safety, but as Nelson's attorney, David Savoy, suggested, "the white stripes of a crosswalk are not impenetrable walls of steel that could have prevented a driver from striking someone crossing the street. The idea that Nelson could be convicted of second-degree homicide by a vehicle makes me truly nauseous, because that is passing the buck from Guy to Nelson. Guy was driving the car, Guy was drunk, Guy struck the child and Guy fled. These charges are so, so sadly reflective of America's victim-blaming culture. A child runs out into the street while crossing from the bus stop and is struck by a car and killed. How does it possibly serve anyone to put his mother in jail? She has two other children to take care of. It's hard to imagine a white mother facing trial in the same circumstance. Then again, it's also hard for some to imagine a white mother in the same circumstance, unless she's poor, and then she too is to be made an example of. Because we're taught in America that if we're not wealthy and successful it's our "fault," and that everyone should want to be an over-scheduled, workaholic consumer, because to be otherwise is unpatriotic. It's un-American to stop feeding the machine. And if you're not feeding it, you're milking it, and that makes you scum. It's immature black-and-white thinking (in more than one sense), but that's what we're best at. This story reminded me immediately of one I read the other day about the Anonymous hacker that helped convict the Steubenville rapists. Mother Jones reported, "If convicted of hacking-related crimes, [he] could face up to 10 years behind bars-far more than the one- and two-year sentences doled out to the Steubenville rapists." They added, "Defending himself could end up costing a fortune." Precisely. America's justice system favors the wealthy and powerful and blames those whose are already systematically oppressed. For how much longer can we sit idly by and watch as those in power in this country ignore the real problems of real people in favor of criminalizing the poverty and oppression they've created? The message Nelson's case sends is: You're black and single with three kids and you don't even know how to cross the street you pathetic worthless excuse for a human being. Now go to jail and think about how you killed your kid. Swallow the shame and the deflected blame. That's what you get for needing to take the bus I pay for with my taxes. When the lesson should be: Pedestrians have the right of way and drunk driving is illegal, not to mention unethical. Fleeing the scene of a crime is heinous. This poor mother, forced to take the bus on a four lane highway, lost her son. Perhaps we should provide better options for families who need to travel. Think about the difference and decide which one is right. Put yourself in her shoes. Just think about it. 

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Raquel Nelson (pictured left with her now deceased son)

I do NOT want to see that picture.

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Raquel Nelson (pictured left with her now deceased son)

I do NOT want to see that picture.


Wow...


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I mean..

Bad guy...

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I'd feel bad for her if she wasn't getting a retrial. It sounds like these laws are designed to catch true child endangerment and she was given a very light sentence because it doesn't really work here.

Guy driving should have gotten more of a sentence for sure though.

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I voted no, and how in the hell does a drunk driver only get 5 years for killing a kid and only serve 6 months. Bullshit!!!

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She should not go to jail.

She should be executed on live PPV TV.

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I voted no, and how in the hell does a drunk driver only get 5 years for killing a kid and only serve 6 months. Bullshit!!!


It's always bothered me how certain crimes had very little jail time. A DUI that results in a death is one. As well as sex crimes.

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 Post subject: Re: What do you think?
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That's just ridiculous. I'll just stick with that without going on a rant.

Obviously, she doesn't deserve jail time .... she really doesn't 'deserve' any kind of punishment .... I'd say the potential guilt complex on top of her kid being dead - not to mention her witnessing it - is pretty much more than she can probably bear in the long term. Anyone prosecuting this should be kicked in the nuts, tits, vag, ass, nose, and/or some body part with a lot of nerve endings.

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What about the need to do your job regardless of your personal feelings?

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Nas wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
I voted no, and how in the hell does a drunk driver only get 5 years for killing a kid and only serve 6 months. Bullshit!!!


It's always bothered me how certain crimes had very little jail time. A DUI that results in a death is one. As well as sex crimes.


A lot of what goes into sentencing is intent. Did the driver intend to do do harm to that child, or anyone for that matter? No...he was negligent though in drinking and driving and thereby putting that child in danger. But someone that fires a gun (say a gang member) at another individual and accidently kills a child with a stray bullet is held to a higher standard, because he meant to do harm to someone.

Should this woman have been charged? No, I think it shows poor judgement on the District attorneys part. A little compassion would have been in order. However, the idea that Nas forwarded about how better transportation options being made available I can't agree with. She made the decision to have those 3 kids, not society. It shouldn't be society's burden. If she is in a financially strained circumstance, perhaps having 3 kids wasn't such a great idea. Where is/are the father/fathers of these kids in all this? But again, I don't think she should have been charged criminally. A 5 year sentence for the driver, is actually fairly standard, if not a bit stiffer than normal.

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http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/mom-faces-more-jail-time-drunk-driver-killed-135900784.html


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I voted no, and how in the hell does a drunk driver only get 5 years for killing a kid and only serve 6 months. Bullshit!!!



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On April 10, she and her three children — Tyler, 9, A.J., 4, and Lauryn, 3 — went shopping because the next day was Nelson’s birthday. They had pizza, went to Wal-Mart and missed a bus, putting them an hour late getting home. Nelson, a student at Kennesaw State University, said she never expected to be out after dark, especially with the children.

When the Cobb County Transit bus finally stopped directly across from Somerpoint Apartments, night had fallen. She and the children crossed two lanes and waited with other passengers on the raised median for a break in traffic. The nearest crosswalks were three-tenths of a mile in either direction, and Nelson wanted to get her children inside as soon as possible. A.J. carried a plastic bag holding a goldfish they’d purchased.

“One girl ran across the street,” Nelson said. “For some odd reason, I guess he saw the girl and decided to run out behind her. I said, ‘Stop, A.J.,’ and he was in the middle of the street so I said keep going. That’s when we all got hit.”



This whole thing is tragic. Everyone is quick to judge the situation because the driver turned out to be drunk, ran from the scene, and the kid was killed.

That being said, crossing a poorly lit, four lane highway, after dark, not at a cross walk with three kids is probably not the best idea. Especially just letting the one run across. And had the driver not turned out to be drunk and stayed at the scene, then who would everyone feel is at fault for this tragedy?

The drunk should have been put away for more than 6 months, especially for fleeing the scene. The mother shouldn't do time, especially because she is the single parent of two other kids, but she certainly has culpability in this horrible incident. I know this may not be a popular opinion, but I think it's important to look at all of the facts, not just an article expressing outrage.

That is why I voted for Baby McNown.


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