Sums up my basic feeling.

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Hopefully Hahn knows how to build an organization. Obviously Jerry realized Kenny couldn't and moved his ass out so there is hope.

The base is there with Sale. It's going to be rough to get around the depleted farm system and years of terrible drafting that Kenny did.

If I'm Jerry, I'm hoping the organization can start to win again before I sell the team...should make finding a buyer easier.

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Wasn't Kenny heavily scouting the 1st pick this year though?

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That's my purse! I don't know you!

A monumental challenge indeed.

Yea I read that. Not sure if Hahn was a pussy and backed down to Kenny or what but yea, drafting another athlete as opposed to a baseball player seems like more of the same.

Gotta hand it to KW though for getting Sale. He at least got that right.

Not sure. That's more of a Keyser question. The baseball draft is about as boring to me as the entirety of the NBA season. It wouldn't surprise me if that were the case, though.

Hahn seems like a smart guy, and Buddy Bell should theoretically be a good #2. The fact is that Kenny needs to be gotten rid of completely, because I don't think these 2 have the room to work that they need...similar to the GarPax situation with the Bools...notice that it's another Reinsdorf organization.

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It seemed to be a reasonable conclusion that the Sox were going to rebuild after last season and that was why they chose to install Hahn as the GM. It's obvious by the way Kenny Williams has operated, that he has never wanted to rebuild, but reload. But reloading was no longer possible with no real good prospects to trade, their only chance to improve would be signing more free agents. But rather than trading away veteran players and re-stocking the farm system, he decided to give Peavy a new deal and keep most of the team intact, except for A.J. , that was a surprise. Now, Hahn has to be trying to peddle guys. But Peavy is injured (as predicted) as well as Gavin Floyd, so those guys are unlikely to be dealt. Danks is 1-3 and that contract along with Dunn's is going nowhere. So that leaves Alexi Ramirez and maybe Alex Rios as 2 of the few guys teams might have some interest in. Good luck Hahn....

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Sox with just 1 hit through 5 innings...

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Go Cubs!!!!

A guy just over the Sox dugout mocking Ventura as he heads back to the bullpen after pulling Santiago for Jones, mimicking Nolan Ryan's head-lock & punching of Ventura years back

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Go Cubs!!!!

The stars at night....are big and bright....deep in the heart of Texas!!

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I follow where my mind goes...

Jason Castro!

Never heard of you before today, but I like what you just did!

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I follow where my mind goes...

This is some bullshit...

Even Double H has forsaken me...

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Oh speeps....you KNOW what the HH stands for...it's not personal!

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I follow where my mind goes...

So now the latest losing streak is at 4 games, with the 3rd game in this series also going to the Astros 5-4. That makes 12 of the last 13 road games the Sox have lost. With Detroit, Cleveland and K.C. winning, the situation just keeps getting worse. The last place Pale Hose will try to avoid the sweep tomorrow, with Quintana (3-2 3.86 ERA) facing Bud Norris (5-6 3.47 ERA). The Sox are now 10 games under .500.....Is this funny bad yet???

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The following, I promise, is not meant as a shot at the Sox because I can't enjoy other fans misery in terms of baseball. I just think Hawk is a joke.


Brian Kenny ‏@MrBrianKenny 1h
Astros go for 4-game sweep of White Sox tonight. Can we isolate, measure, and project The Will to avoid a Sweep?

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Team Cutler.

Hawk has been brutally honest with the team's bad play this year, and has called out several players several different times. Its about the only refreshing thing about this season so far.

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can he really make a joke like that when former saber god Dunn is one of the things draggin them down.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Yes.

Because he is no longer a SABR god.

No he cannot because sabr analysis would have favored the signing which has been a key component to the Sox losing record.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Nope


White Sox Sign Adam Dunn
by Dave Cameron - December 2, 2010

Two years after getting scorned by most of baseball, Adam Dunn has reportedly landed the big deal he’s been looking for. According to the LA Times, the White Sox are on the verge of a 4 year, $56 million deal to bring Dunn to the south side of Chicago. Interestingly enough, he’s coming off almost the exact same offensive season he had the last time he was a free agent, and is two years older, but he’s getting a deal for double the years and almost triple the money of his last contract.

There seem to be several factors driving the difference. One, as we’ve noted, prices for players seem to be going up this winter. Nearly every player who has signed so far has gotten more money than expected before the winter began, and Dunn continues that trend. The median estimate from our Contract Crowdsourcing results had him signing for 3/36, and this is an extra year and several million per year more for Dunn. For whatever reason, MLB teams seem far more willing to spend on talent this winter than in the past two off-seasons.

There’s also Dunn’s willingness to accept a position with an AL team, and by extension, an agreement to spend some time at DH. Two years ago, Dunn was viewed as perhaps the worst defensive player in baseball, and yet he was steadfast that he wanted to remain on the field, whether that was in the outfield or at first base. The Nationals took advantage of the soft market that created and made Dunn his only real offer.

This time, Dunn realized that to get paid, he had to be willing to put down the glove. While the White Sox will likely use him at first base if they don’t re-sign Paul Konerko, he’ll almost certainly see time at DH as well, especially in the latter part of this contract. Dunn’s fielding has been a huge stain on his career, and being willing to stay off the field created enough interest for him to become significantly richer.

For the White Sox, they get the left-handed slugger they’ve been coveting for a while, and Dunn should have no problem launching balls into the seats in one of the most home run friendly parks in America. However, they paid a pretty steep price to acquire his power. As a Type A free agent, Dunn’s signing will cost the White Sox the 23rd pick in the upcoming draft, and they’ll also be on the hook for $14 million a season for Dunn’s age 31-34 seasons.

This deal essentially values him as a +3 win player going forward. If he ends up strictly as a DH, he’d need to post a .380 wOBA and get 600 plate appearances to reach that mark. Not coincidentally, his career wOBA is .384. If he plays first base regularly, he may need to hit even better than that, however, as his defense there is still a negative.

Essentially, the White Sox are betting that Dunn can maintain his peak production into his early 30s while switching leagues and potentially transitioning to being a bat-only player. If he sees some age related decline, struggles in the American League, or doesn’t adjust well to life as a sometimes-DH, he’ll have a hard time justifying this contract.

However, Dunn has been a remarkably consistent offensive performer, and he’s going to the American League version of heaven for flyball hitters. While it’s probably a bit more money than I would have paid, it’s pretty easy to see Dunn being successful in Chicago for at least the first half of this deal. It’s probably a bit of an overpay, but it’s one that has a decent chance of working out.

can he really make a joke like that when former saber god Dunn is one of the things draggin them down.[/quote]
Yes.

Because he is no longer a SABR god.[/quote]

No he cannot because sabr analysis would have favored the signing which has been a key component to the Sox losing record.[/quote]
Nope


White Sox Sign Adam Dunn
by Dave Cameron - December 2, 2010

Two years after getting scorned by most of baseball, Adam Dunn has reportedly landed the big deal he’s been looking for. According to the LA Times, the White Sox are on the verge of a 4 year, $56 million deal to bring Dunn to the south side of Chicago. Interestingly enough, he’s coming off almost the exact same offensive season he had the last time he was a free agent, and is two years older, but he’s getting a deal for double the years and almost triple the money of his last contract.

There seem to be several factors driving the difference. One, as we’ve noted, prices for players seem to be going up this winter. Nearly every player who has signed so far has gotten more money than expected before the winter began, and Dunn continues that trend. The median estimate from our Contract Crowdsourcing results had him signing for 3/36, and this is an extra year and several million per year more for Dunn. For whatever reason, MLB teams seem far more willing to spend on talent this winter than in the past two off-seasons.

There’s also Dunn’s willingness to accept a position with an AL team, and by extension, an agreement to spend some time at DH. Two years ago, Dunn was viewed as perhaps the worst defensive player in baseball, and yet he was steadfast that he wanted to remain on the field, whether that was in the outfield or at first base. The Nationals took advantage of the soft market that created and made Dunn his only real offer.

This time, Dunn realized that to get paid, he had to be willing to put down the glove. While the White Sox will likely use him at first base if they don’t re-sign Paul Konerko, he’ll almost certainly see time at DH as well, especially in the latter part of this contract. Dunn’s fielding has been a huge stain on his career, and being willing to stay off the field created enough interest for him to become significantly richer.

For the White Sox, they get the left-handed slugger they’ve been coveting for a while, and Dunn should have no problem launching balls into the seats in one of the most home run friendly parks in America. However, they paid a pretty steep price to acquire his power. As a Type A free agent, Dunn’s signing will cost the White Sox the 23rd pick in the upcoming draft, and they’ll also be on the hook for $14 million a season for Dunn’s age 31-34 seasons.

This deal essentially values him as a +3 win player going forward. If he ends up strictly as a DH, he’d need to post a .380 wOBA and get 600 plate appearances to reach that mark. Not coincidentally, his career wOBA is .384. If he plays first base regularly, he may need to hit even better than that, however, as his defense there is still a negative.

Essentially, the White Sox are betting that Dunn can maintain his peak production into his early 30s while switching leagues and potentially transitioning to being a bat-only player. If he sees some age related decline, struggles in the American League, or doesn’t adjust well to life as a sometimes-DH, he’ll have a hard time justifying this contract.

However, Dunn has been a remarkably consistent offensive performer, and he’s going to the American League version of heaven for flyball hitters. While it’s probably a bit more money than I would have paid, it’s pretty easy to see Dunn being successful in Chicago for at least the first half of this deal. It’s probably a bit of an overpay, but it’s one that has a decent chance of working out.[/quote]

Ummmm, last paragraph. You know, the one where professional writers try to sum up their thoughts from the rest of the story.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Yes.

Because he is no longer a SABR god.[/quote]

No he cannot because sabr analysis would have favored the signing which has been a key component to the Sox losing record.[/quote]
Nope


White Sox Sign Adam Dunn
by Dave Cameron - December 2, 2010

Two years after getting scorned by most of baseball, Adam Dunn has reportedly landed the big deal he’s been looking for. According to the LA Times, the White Sox are on the verge of a 4 year, $56 million deal to bring Dunn to the south side of Chicago. Interestingly enough, he’s coming off almost the exact same offensive season he had the last time he was a free agent, and is two years older, but he’s getting a deal for double the years and almost triple the money of his last contract.

There seem to be several factors driving the difference. One, as we’ve noted, prices for players seem to be going up this winter. Nearly every player who has signed so far has gotten more money than expected before the winter began, and Dunn continues that trend. The median estimate from our Contract Crowdsourcing results had him signing for 3/36, and this is an extra year and several million per year more for Dunn. For whatever reason, MLB teams seem far more willing to spend on talent this winter than in the past two off-seasons.

There’s also Dunn’s willingness to accept a position with an AL team, and by extension, an agreement to spend some time at DH. Two years ago, Dunn was viewed as perhaps the worst defensive player in baseball, and yet he was steadfast that he wanted to remain on the field, whether that was in the outfield or at first base. The Nationals took advantage of the soft market that created and made Dunn his only real offer.

This time, Dunn realized that to get paid, he had to be willing to put down the glove. While the White Sox will likely use him at first base if they don’t re-sign Paul Konerko, he’ll almost certainly see time at DH as well, especially in the latter part of this contract. Dunn’s fielding has been a huge stain on his career, and being willing to stay off the field created enough interest for him to become significantly richer.

For the White Sox, they get the left-handed slugger they’ve been coveting for a while, and Dunn should have no problem launching balls into the seats in one of the most home run friendly parks in America. However, they paid a pretty steep price to acquire his power. As a Type A free agent, Dunn’s signing will cost the White Sox the 23rd pick in the upcoming draft, and they’ll also be on the hook for $14 million a season for Dunn’s age 31-34 seasons.

This deal essentially values him as a +3 win player going forward. If he ends up strictly as a DH, he’d need to post a .380 wOBA and get 600 plate appearances to reach that mark. Not coincidentally, his career wOBA is .384. If he plays first base regularly, he may need to hit even better than that, however, as his defense there is still a negative.

Essentially, the White Sox are betting that Dunn can maintain his peak production into his early 30s while switching leagues and potentially transitioning to being a bat-only player. If he sees some age related decline, struggles in the American League, or doesn’t adjust well to life as a sometimes-DH, he’ll have a hard time justifying this contract.

However, Dunn has been a remarkably consistent offensive performer, and he’s going to the American League version of heaven for flyball hitters. While it’s probably a bit more money than I would have paid, it’s pretty easy to see Dunn being successful in Chicago for at least the first half of this deal. It’s probably a bit of an overpay, but it’s one that has a decent chance of working out.[/quote]

Ummmm, last paragraph. You know, the one where professional writers try to sum up their thoughts from the rest of the story.[/quote]
Yeah, after listing several ways it could end up bad, they say there is a decent chance he'll be successful for HALF of the contract and even that is couched by saying "its an overpay"


Lazy posting from you today.

You think SABR people cant change their minds on players? Like, they liked Adam Dunn in 2004 so they love him forever?

Cmon man

Really stupid and typically argumentative posting by you today.

He is directly assaulting one person's style of assessing players and specifically uses the word PROJECT. His style of assessing players and projecting would have put the Sox in the same place they are today.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Stupid? Must have struck a chord here. Sorry to make you look so wrong on things today, but....


No, it wouldnt have. You're just being stubborn as usual.

That article clearly shows that the SABR community had soured on Dunn by that time. To deny that is just being purposefully obtuse.


You are making no sense. Your argument is "SABR people love Dunn"

But they dont and havent, for a while. That's reality.

Not to mention he is 1/25th of the team.

But your whole point, SABR guys love Dunn is just flat out wrong.

Keep denying it. Makes you look foolish.

Sox fans feel the same way about that fat piece of crap.

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Nope. Sorry Frank. If you thought he was good on the Reds ten years ago, you think he's good now. dolphin's rules.

He was good then like Tiger is good now

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Your ignorance of being incorrect, while a great as a defense mechanism, doesn't negate the truth of the conclusion.

What is there to deny. It is right there in black and white in the story you quoted. Despite your highlights, the point of the article is that it was a good signing that he thinks will work out. It hasn't and that signing is a VERY signficant reason for the Sox lack of success. This puts him in a difficult postion in mocking others.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.