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I think you brought up similar points in the Kohl's thread. You've probably already addressed this, but I'm sure you know whether a child is inherently innocent or not, or whether a 16 year old is really in love with his/her 18 year old girl/boyfriend, is irrelevant vis-a-vis consent. I'm not sure what the legal definition of consent is, but if it includes language such as only those above the age of 18 are legally recognized as persons able to consent to sexual activity, then the points the article is making are irrelevant as they pertain to law.

I think part of this discussion finds itself at the intersection of law and morality, and the need for commensurability between the two. Some of the arguments I remember you making in the Kohl's thread struck me as more moral than legal, correct me if I'm wrong. I think this sub-discussion finds itself at a similar impasse.

I'd prefer not to go back over all that as a lot of people here (not you) tend to read what they want and misconstrue what was actually written.

But with regard to the current discussion, I can certainly understand how a religious person (I am not one) might demand that morally a homosexual must refrain from sinning in spite of the way he was born just as our secular society expects a pedophile to refrain from his impulses on both a moral and legal basis.

Like I said, I don't agree with those who would deny homosexuals the right to engage in whatever behavior they might choose as consenting adults, but I can respect the viewpoint of those who actually live by a code of morals that have been handed down over the years and who are not swayed by current fashion or changes in social mores.

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To me, it's no different than giving women the right to vote or letting minorities sit on a bus. It's not just a religious thing. It's a financial benefit that is recognized by our Federal government, and it is inevitable and will withstand the test of time, just like those two things did. But I'm tired and going to bed. Maybe I'll have some energy to debate again tomorrow.

And fuck carrots!

The veganfan-leashyourkids rivalry is getting a little too intense for my tastes.

Was the carrots thing directed at me? I had no idea. I thought our "rivalry" only revolved around his affinity for chicken strips?

Still like some examples of how gays infringe on the rights of others as pedophiles do.

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I'm gonna keep on reading the next 3 pages, but I'll predict the ending. He can't provide them, but will call you dumb for asking him about it.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

Well, let me ask you this: are you confident enough to deny gay couples the right to the financial benefits of a married couple based on the premise that eventually someone might marry a tree? If you are, so be it. I'm willing to take that chance.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

Marry a tree eh?

I do not have any problem giving gay couples rights, etc. I just worry about where this will ultimately lead from here. Surely you don't think this is the end game? Now that the door is opened there are going to be other groups and causes that want the same treatment.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Well, let me ask you this: are you confident enough to deny gay couples the right to the financial benefits of a married couple based on the premise that eventually someone might marry a tree? If you are, so be it. I'm willing to take that chance.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

Yes it is.

When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.

If you hate Laurence, then don't listen - don't comment. When he co-hosts the B&B show, take that day off ... listen to an old podcast of a Bernstein solo show and jerk off all day.

What happens when my pursuit of happiness conflicts with an established law?

To me, it's no different than giving women the right to vote or letting minorities sit on a bus. It's not just a religious thing. It's a financial benefit that is recognized by our Federal government, and it is inevitable and will withstand the test of time, just like those two things did. But I'm tired and going to bed. Maybe I'll have some energy to debate again tomorrow.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

No, he didn't. What he's saying- if I read him correctly- is that we allow the concept that someone is "born a certain way" to justify their behavior. If pedophiles are born that way and we expect that they refrain from acting on their sexual impulses it may also be reasonable to expect that homosexuals refrain from acting upon their sexual impulses.

I also understand your point that the homosexuals in question are consenting adults. Personally, I don't give a fuck what two consenting people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms and I think people are capable of consenting at a younger age than most others seem too. But Seacrest's viewpoint is hardly outlandish and, in fact, is the one expressed by most major religions.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

The God card has been played. Again.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

I would consider a women with three kids by three different men a polygamist. Or a guy who has seven kids by four different women.


We already live in a Polygamist society in a lot of ways. Just can't check it off on the tax form yet.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

I love God. I have no idea what you're talking about. You've yet to answer my question.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

Pretty sure the only time I posted in that thread was to say that that thread kind of creeped me out.

Why wont you answer my question.

Are you about to go Benoit or something? Every exchange with you is just odd beyond belief.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

Just for the record, my question was basically "Why are you comparing gays to pedophiles?"

Seacrest wrote: "My physical address is 130 Green Meadow Lane, Fayeteville Georgia. 30215"


You're creeping me out dude.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

But leash already dissected, destructed, and dispelled that line of reasoning.

We're gonna need a little more that than.

I realize that you said very little so that you could get out of it as needed at a later time, but you basically said/implied that gays are as 'bad' as pedophiles.

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