You see, my dear, all certified mail is registered, but registered mail is not necessarily certified.

I know you do. I don't believe Keeping Score does.



True. However, until very recently homosexuality was considered a deviant behavior in American society. And it will still get one put to death in certain other societies. Organized religions by their very nature are busybodies. While I disagree with the stance of the Catholic Church on the issue, I find it difficult to criticize Seacrest for his beliefs in the teachings of his church. Although I will say, in my experience, the religious tend to pick and choose which tenets of their faiths they really believe. Like the great Catholic Phil Donahue who was quite devout until he wanted a divorce at which point his Catholicism was suddenly inconvenient. I don't know Seacrest except on this board so I'll give his convictions the benefit of the doubt. But I think people in general- and the very religious in particular- are most often hypocrites. The world is really one big Who Ya Crappin'.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I'll tell you a little secret about zip codes...they're meaningless.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

I think the problem is that other than RFDC and JORR, no one else in this thread seems to understand the problems that moral relativism will, has and will always lead to.

Where does this all end?

Who gets to decide?

Why did you get your way?

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Maybe government should get out of the marriage business altogether if you can't make it available for all consenting adults

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Maybe that can be the start of a straightforward discussion where other folks viewpoints are listened to and respected.

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With every adult having the same rights and benefits regardless of race, religion, or sexual orientation.



There is nothing to decide.



Because "my way" doesn't deny people rights and benefits.

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That's my stance.

Axe all of the social tax policy related to marriage, government shouldn't be involved.

Axe it all, except for the stuff related to child birth.

Start at the beginning.

Define a right.

Now tell me how we came about them and where they came from.

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I think it should be the opposite. If Christian churches want to have their own definition of marriage they should choose a different name for it. No modern religion invented marriage. The origins likely predate any organized religion.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Why should you get your way?

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Because Jesus, that's why.

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The government incentivizes and discourages all kinds of behaviors. I'm not sure if building a society based upon heterosexual marriage is a sound philosophy or not. But I will say that if that's one of our societal principles, making divorces so easy to come by makes it seem rather disingenuous.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

JORR, frankly, shut up.

Seacrest said what he said, he's a big boy, let him answer for his own comments. You're coming off as a lackey rather than (for lack of a better phrase) a friend of the court.

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- Henry George

Yeah, I'm the number one lackey in this forum. He did say what he said and when I began posting there were guys twisting it while he wasn't around. The girls in this forum aren't the only ones who sometimes require defenders.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

JORR, it is a bit odd. You keep explaining that you agree with us or me or whoever, but you are stating Seacrest's points.

Here's a thought - let Seacrest speak for himself, and Seacrest - actually state what you think. Problem solved.

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Cry me a river. You don't even have a viewpoint. Why don't you try stating one, and THEN we can make fun of you for it.

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The (apparently) unclear inference was that I didn't actually think your intention was to be a lackey but rather a so-called friend of the court, but that it was coming off far more as the former than the latter. Now go get your shinebox.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Actually, I was just bored and going back and forth with leashyourkids.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Nice.

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Here is Crest's original post a-gain.



Then leash responds.



Seems logical.

But Seacrest fires back.



Then we get a whole lot of hemming and hawing.

Let's clear some things up.

Pedophilia refers to any person over 16 years of age being sexually attracted to prepubescent children (under 13).

I'll safely assume that no one here thinks a child under 13 can give consent to having sex. Therefore leash was correct in declaring Seacrest's original point moot.

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Very well then.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

you just wish it were that simple, don't you TP? like the king of the north taking the iron throne? seemed like a simple plan.

That is your definition of pedophilia. Like it or not, it is not shared by literally millions of others.

We are back to where we started. If you want to live in a morally relativistic society, you aren't going to be able to get agreement with others. It's a nice sentiment on your part and nothing else.
You chose the rules yourself that you wanted to make and live by. So everyone must get to also.


I believe in a natural law, the one put forth by the likes of Plato, Aristotle and Socrates. Before we knew about God, the author of the natural law.

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It is not my definition of pedophilia.

It is the definition of pedophilia.

pedophilia /pe·do·phil·ia/ (-fil´e-ah) a paraphilia in which an adult has recurrent, intense sexual urges or sexually arousing fantasies of engaging or repeatedly engages in sexual activity with a prepubertal child.pedophil´ic Dorland's Medical Dictionary for Health Consumers. © 2007 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.

ped·o·phil·i·a (p d -f l - , p d -) n. The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children.

ped o·phile (-f l ) n.

ped o·phil i·ac (-f l - k ) adj. & n.

The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Pedophilia Sex or sexual activity with children who have not reached puberty. Mentioned in: Sexual Perversions Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.

pedophilia [ped′əfil′ē·ə] Etymology: Gk, pais, child, philein, to love 1 an abnormal interest in children. 2 (in psychiatry) a psychosexual disorder in which the fantasy or act of engaging in sexual activity with prepubertal children is the preferred or exclusive means of achieving sexual excitement and gratification. It may be heterosexual or homosexual. Also spelled paedophilia. Also called pederosis. See also paraphilia. pedophilic, adj. Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier.

Paedophilia A paraphilia involving hetero- or homosexuoerotic fantasy, activity or intercourse initiated by a postpubertal adolescent or adult male or female with prepubescent children Segen's Medical Dictionary. © 2012 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved.

pedophilia [pe″do-fil´e-ah] a PARAPHILIA in which an adult desires or engages in sexual relations with a child; it may be either homosexual or heterosexual in nature. adj., adj pedophil´ic. Miller-Keane Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Medicine, Nursing, and Allied Health, Seventh Edition. © 2003 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved.

pedophilia Psychiatry A paraphilia involving heterosexual or homosexual activity or intercourse between adults with children, especially prepubertal. See Child abuse, Ephebophilia, Incest, Nepiophilia, Pederasty, Sex tourism. Cf Gerontophilia. McGraw-Hill Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.

pe·do·phil·i·a (pē'dō-fil'ē-ă), In psychiatry, an abnormal attraction to children by an adult for sexual purposes. [G. pais, child, + philos, fond] Farlex Partner Medical Dictionary © Farlex 2012

pe·do·phil·i·a (pē'dō-fil'ē-ă) An abnormal sexual attraction to children in an adult. Synonym(s): paedophilia. [G. pais, child, + philos, fond] Medical Dictionary for the Health Professions and Nursing © Farlex 2012

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

There are numerous societies that disagree with you.

You can stick your fingers in your ears and pretend that they don't exist but if you are typing on a computer with internet access then you are willfully choosing to ignore easily discoverable facts.

You chose to make your own rules, others chose to make their own. I know how this ends up. I'll spare you the "I told you so's."

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Please provide one medical definition of pedopbilia that differs from those I posted.

I'll wait.

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Actually, I probably won't wait.

By diagnostic criteria of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, a pedophile is an individual who fantasizes about, is sexually aroused by, or experiences sexual urges toward prepubescent children (generally <13 years) for a period of at least 6 months. Generally, the individual must be at least 16 years of age and at least 5 years older than the juvenile of interest to meet criteria for pedophilia.

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I don't disagree with any number of those definitions.

You have a definition that other societies don't agree with. You can wait all you want. That's not going to change.

Where does it all end when you can't find agreement with others on this?

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