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Terry's Peeps
PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:48 pm 
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Everyone from 2005 gets a pass from me as far as hate goes.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Everyone from 2005 gets a pass from me as far as hate goes.


Agreed. That's the thing that keeps me from really hating Ozzie.

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Ozzie is his own brand of goof. As a player or SOx manager could never hate him. That would be strong.

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pittmike wrote:
Ozzie is his own brand of goof. As a player or SOx manager could never hate him. That would be strong.


I never liked that chirpy little cocksucker.

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Ron Karkovice for me. Great fielder, but maybe the worst hitter I've ever seen.
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Hawkeye Vince wrote:
Ron Karkovice for me. Great fielder, but maybe the worst hitter I've ever seen.


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Hatchetman wrote:
Hawkeye Vince wrote:
Ron Karkovice for me. Great fielder, but maybe the worst hitter I've ever seen.


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Karkovice 81
Flowers 79


Flowers is the modern day Karko with a worse arm.

Karko lasted twelve season in the major leagues. Unreal.
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Bagels wrote:
Lyle Mouton
Jeff Leifer

Hey man, those guys were great. Lyle Mouton was the "next Frank Thomas" and Jeff Leifer was the "next Jason Giambi".

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Very hard to name just one.

David Wells
Javy Vasquez
Adam Dunn
Wil Cordero
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Bobby Jenks

Those immediately come to mind. I just could never find it in me to root for any of them.



Bobby Jenks??? He was a douche at the end and is no one now, but he was awesome in 2005. It wouldn't have happened without him.

Javy Vasquez is garbage. Always was. When he was good it was a rarity.

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I think my hatred of Jenks in later years is affecting my overall opinion of him. I can't even see 2005 from here...it's so long ago.

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MxdCookie wrote:

Javy Vasquez is garbage. Always was. When he was good it was a rarity.


He gave the Sox 200+ innings every year. Two years with an ERA right around league average and two with an ERA well better than average. Maybe if the Sox had more "garbage" like that, they'd win more.

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His strikeout numbers tended to inflate his value. Javy Vasquez was an innings eater, but not very good.

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
His strikeout numbers tended to inflate his value. Javy Vasquez was an innings eater, but not very good.



Not great, but certainly no bum. He's the kind of guy you need in the back of a rotation if you're going to contend.

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
His strikeout numbers tended to inflate his value. Javy Vasquez was an innings eater, but not very good.



Not great, but certainly no bum. He's the kind of guy you need in the back of a rotation if you're going to contend.



Way in the back, and not ever starting a playoff game.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Not great, but certainly no bum. He's the kind of guy you need in the back of a rotation if you're going to contend.


well, we gave up a nice package for him and he made a ton of dough at the time too.

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Hatchetman wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Not great, but certainly no bum. He's the kind of guy you need in the back of a rotation if you're going to contend.


well, we gave up a nice package for him and he made a ton of dough at the time too.



I never had an issue with what they gave up to get him or Swisher even though it was a lot. It's what they got coming back when they moved them that pisses me off. They gave Vazquez and Swisher away for nothing after letting idiot Guillen define who the two guys were as ballplayers. If Ozzie had never said shit about Vazquez, Sox fans wouldn't hate him anywhere near as much as they do. He'd just be a guy who wasn't great but did okay for your team.

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Crazy how fucking bad Swisher was for the Sox relative to his career. I loved watching him play 1B. Love me some left handed first-basemen.

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