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PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:08 pm 
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i'm going to ignore your larger point and just say that The Timberwolves will be SOLID next year
ASSUMING that they actually don't have massive injury woes and Rubio/Love miss 1/2 the years
IF you have both of them
plus Martin, remember Budinger missed the majority of the year too....great players to space the floor

Martin was a good add....they will be a playoff team for sure
OKC, there's plenty of room on the bus i'm driving


Good point about Minnesota. I forgot about Love and Rubio since Love was out most last year and the team didn't do anything of note. In any case, Martin is moving from a perennial contender to a team that only hopes to be a contender within the next 2-3 years. And even if Minnesota becomes a contender, it will likely come near the end of Martin's contract when he'll be around 33-34 years old. Might be a good move for Minnesota, but I can't see any incentive for Martin leaving OKC other than money. IMO, he's going to miss out on at least one championship parade.

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I don't feel that the Thunder were a good fit for Martin.

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I don't feel that the Thunder were a good fit for Martin.

Did you change your mind on this one?

Didn't you say back when all this went down that the Thunder would be better with Martin than with Harden?

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I don't feel that the Thunder were a good fit for Martin.



Martin was quoted as saying he was looking forward to playing with a pass first type of point guard for the first time in his career.

Yup. Another reason why I wish the Bulls had the money for him. Derrick Rose is DYING to be a facilitator. He doesn't want to have to score 25 per game. Rose/Martin would have been an excellent 1-2 punch.

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But guys like Monta Ellis just don't want to be in Milwaukee.

And that's why teams have to overpay for mediocre players to come to small markets.


And just to expound a bit more on this, a good organization first and foremost, can overcome this problem.

Sure they need to work a bit harder but it can be done.

Just look at this years Conference Finals:

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16 Miami
25 Indianapolis
37 San Antonio
48 Memphis

For comparison sake, Milwaukee is the 35th ranked Television Market.

If there was ever an argument against who the NBA/ABC bosses wanted to see in the stretch run of the playoffs, this was the year to debunk all of that nonsense.

But the larger problem............is that you just can't pull shit like what John Hammond, GM of the Bucks did this past season. For some unbeknownst reason, he and only he thought that the Bucks could make an extended run in the playoffs if they only had JJ Redick. :|

And so he gave up a recent 1st rd pick in Tobias Harris, and a 2nd rd pick from the then national champion Kentucky program - Doron Lamb, and lo and behold, he netted JJ Redick.

Redick is now a Clipper and the Bucks have a couple additional 2nd round picks.

Which essentially makes it:
JJ Redick, Tobias Harris, Doron Lamb for Gustavo Ayon, Ish Smith and two 2nd round picks.

Now THAT'S the kind of stuff that REALLY can kill a franchise.


This is a good breakdown, and I regret not adding Hammond to my earlier list of dumb GMs. He's done such a good job of ensuring the Bucks' irrelevance that I completely forgot about his existence.

Your comment about taxes and the CBA and all that stuff is obviously correct, but I also think Douchebag is correct in his observation that big-time players just don't want to play in certain cities. I think 2010 may have been a watershed moment in new-age free agency; you had players scheming to game a system designed to reward re-signing with the team that drafted you. The CBA is one thing, but it will not prevent, nor should it be expected to prevent, the sort of collusive behavior witnessed three years ago. To bring this back to big cities, the most obvious goal of the plot allegedly hatched in 2008 between James, Paul, Melo, etc. was to resist the financial home court advantage enjoyed by their teams in the free agent process in order to play in major cities of their choice.

I don't want to be too extreme here, it's not like every star is aiming to play in Miami, LA, or NY. But 2010 set a blueprint of sorts for future players who refuse to be swayed by the extra money a team they don't want to play for can offer on an exclusive basis. The biggest victims have been and will continue to be small-market teams that don't have the pizzazz to entice their star free agents to stay. OKC and SA have been lucky because they've drafted extremely well, but you're already hearing Love may want out, and we've already seen what LBJ, Bosh, Melo, and Howard have done. Who knows what the East could have looked like now if Cleveland, Orlando, and Toronto retained LBJ, Howard, and Bosh, respectively. With the NBA continuing to add teams in what players consider wasteland cities, I don't see how the gap between the haves and the have nots narrows in any meaningful sense.

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I don't feel that the Thunder were a good fit for Martin.

Did you change your mind on this one?

Didn't you say back when all this went down that the Thunder would be better with Martin than with Harden?

No, I believe I said they didn't get any worse by moving Harden.

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Hawks give Korver $28M over 4 years.

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I don't feel that the Thunder were a good fit for Martin.

Did you change your mind on this one?

Didn't you say back when all this went down that the Thunder would be better with Martin than with Harden?

No, I believe I said they didn't get any worse by moving Harden.


We saw why it was a terrible trade.

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Kobe's message for Howard: "I know how to do it and I've learned from the best — players who have won multiple times over and over. Instead of trying to do things your way, just listen and learn "

I love Kobe even more. Nash quote makes sense now. No ass kissing from #24.

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Kobe's message for Howard: "I know how to do it and I've learned from the best — players who have won multiple times over and over. Instead of trying to do things your way, just listen and learn "

I love Kobe even more. Nash quote makes sense now. No ass kissing from #24.


That's precisely the message he needs but also the exact one he doesn't want to hear.

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There's a chance that New Orleans center Robin Lopezcould become an unrestricted free agent this week, thanks to language in his contract, and if that happens two teams are already being listed as possible landing spots. 

As Adrian Wojnarowksi of Yahoo! Sports writes today: "If Pelicans don't waive Robin Lopez by Thursday -- paying 500K buyout -- his $5.1 million and 5.3 million salaries the next two years become guaranteed." To me, it seems somewhat unlikely that the Pelicans will release a player penciled in as their starting center, but if it happens Wojnarowski reports that sources indicate Indiana and Portland are both interested in the 7-footer. 

That would make a lot of sense to me, given the Pacers' need to upgrade their backup center spot -- where Lopez may be more appropriately suited in the first place -- and the Trail Blazers' need for a veteran center on a roster with rookie Jeff Withey and last-year's lottery pick, Meyers Leonard.

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LA is out of the Howard sweepstakes. That is why they pulled the billboards. The Warriors are the choice unless they can't get a sign and trade. The Lakers want a trade exception and picks. If that doesn't work Howard will agree to become a Rocket before the 10th.

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Brendan Haywood is the type of guy you can probably get for something relatively cheap and could potentially be a big upgrade over Nazr.

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Can't Golden State still sign Howard if they trade Bogut? They only needed to shed 2 of those salaries. Igi's deal could be structured in a way that makes that possible.

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Can't Golden State still sign Howard if they trade Bogut? They only needed to shed 2 of those salaries. Igi's deal could be structured in a way that makes that possible.


I think LA may go for Barnes and Bogut in a sign-and-trade.


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As ESPN reported, Dallas owner Mark Cuban was informed that the Mavericks are out of the running for Howard.

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Dwight Howard has chosen to sign with the Houston Rockets, @USATODAYSports has learned. Story to come. - http://ow.ly/mH7dN

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The Lakers should be happy.

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The Lakers should be happy.



I agree.. But wait!

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Dwight Howard and his representatives still need to go through details of a proposed contract with the Rockets, sources tell Y! Sports.


Still time for the mental midget to change his mind.

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Rockets center Omer Asik has no interest in backing up or playing next Dwight Howard, according to sources. Could force trade.

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Indeed.

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Broussard reporting Howard now 50-50. Wow


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This is Howard's agent making an ass out of his client.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Y! Sources: Milwaukee reaches agreement with free agent guard O.J. Mayo on a three-year, $24 million contract. http://tinyurl.com/lht8q65

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Not too difficult to make an ass out of Howard.


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Source: D12 has landed in LA & told Lakers it's 50-50 btwn them and the Rockets. He's having 2nd thoughts about leaving $30 mill on table


He is not leaving it on the table if he is still good in four years. Though that is highly unlikely. Over/Under on when he asks the Lakers to trade him next season?

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Source: D12 has landed in LA & told Lakers it's 50-50 btwn them and the Rockets. He's having 2nd thoughts about leaving $30 mill on table


He is not leaving it on the table if he is still good in four years. Though that is highly unlikely. Over/Under on when he asks the Lakers to trade him next season?


Can't believe the Lakers don't want to sign-and-trade his ass. Get something in return. They could get Asik and a couple picks for him. Or get Bogut and Barnes from GS.

Can they sign him and trade him without him knowing he would be traded? If so, they should do that. He deserves it.


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Nothing to see here. The little bitch just wants to stay in the limelight for a few more days. All the teams should pull out and tell him to go fuck himself.

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