Bynum hates playing basketball. I dont want a guy who hates playing. No matter if he is healthy or not.

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It would be awesome if this was actually real.

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If they can protect themselves against catastrophic injury, I don't see the risk here for Dallas. Seems low risk high reward to me. If he sucks or is injured then they cut him per the hypothetical contract.

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Dallas Mavericks are still trying to get laid and Andrew Bynum is the only girl left at the bar at 2am.

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If the deal is more or less risk free, ok, but Bynum is pretty much done and any team dumb enough to sink anything significant into him deserves what they will get. Which might be zero games played.

But I agree if they can do a low risk deal, then fine but he's already broken down and doesn't even like basketball.....so it would end up being low risk-low reward.

Why would Cleveland do that? Bulls need to trade Bobcats pick immediately. Looking at next seasons draft they are going to get some great players with those picks.

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Just think Omer and Omri on the same team.

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The Clippers got a lot better. Not sure if they are good enough up front, but I expect them to be more serious contenders than they were this year. I especially love the Reddick signing for them.

Jack in Cleveland is big. They had no bench whatsoever. With a fully healthy season from Kyrie, and some other player development, I expect Cleveland to make the playoffs this year.

Nas will find this hard to believe, but nothing would make me happier than Kobe coming back strong halfway through the season, helping LA to the playoffs and then a playoff series upset over Houston. I dislike Dwight Howard probably more than any NBA player. At least I respect what LeBron does when he steps on the court.

Any Bulls fan who is even slightly worrying about Al Jefferson signing with the Bobcats is a fucking moron.

The Milwaukee Bucks are only going to win 11 games next season. Sorry KS.

The Spurs dropped the ball in FA. Splitter is worth the money, but not to them. They needed to go after Al Jefferson. Stupid all around.

I can't wait to watch the Warriors next season, although I still feel SA, OKC, and LAC are certainly better.

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Sure, if those conditions remain true then there's no real improvement they make by signing Bynum. Cuban probably thinks differently since he may be trying to sign the guy. While Bynum is a big question mark, I think Cuban's interest is pretty much consistent with his post-2011 strategy of treading water until he gets his has hands on a proverbial superstar. Of course it's easy to criticize the strategy in hindsight because he's failed to acquire Deron Williams or Dwight Howard, so it now seems like he's trying to strike gold with Bynum.

It's interesting to compare Cuban's approach with the Nets, a team that takes the exact opposite approach. The expensive 2012-13 Nets had no chance of winning a title, and I think it's more than likely that the even pricier 2013-14 Nets have little to no chance either. I'm not sure which approach has been better from a fiscal sense (the Nets have a higher payroll but I don't know how much revenue they take in from games, etc.), but I think both failures underscore the need for transcendent talent in the NBA, and I hope someone like Gar Forman, when he isn't firing perfectly capable assistant coaches to antagonize the second best coach in the league, is watching.

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Isn't that what Noah averaged?

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Noah is around 12 and 11 with 2 blocks. I think both give you similar production, although you can do more with Noah on offense in a non-scoring sense. I was all for seeing what you could get for Noah making Asik the starter when both were here.

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Plus Noah is injury prone.

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Let me know when Asik makes all defensive first team and/or averages 4 apg.

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Never meant to imply Asik was as good as Noah, only that he'd be a capable replacement. I did acknowledge that Noah is better on offense in non-scoring situations, and assists is one example of that. Asik is a good defensive player as well and I would not be surprised to see him considered for one of the All NBA defensive teams sometime down the road.

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Didn't Kobe make all defense 1st team ? Clearly that proves that award don't mean shit. Not to mention you said Marc Gasol was better at everything other than dunking compared to Dwight Howard.(who still led the league in boards while injured this year) lemme know when Gasol makes all first team d.

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There's a big difference between making an All NBA defensive FIRST team, and just making an all defensive team.

Kobe made all defensive first teams when he was awesome at defense. When he stopped giving a shit the last couple years he stopped making it. I hope this Dwight bullshit reinvigorates him.

The difference between Asik and Noah is way more than stats imply. You can run an offense(although definitely less than an optimal one) through Noah. You can't even try that with Asik. That's a big deal. Noah is a better defender, and defending is Asik's biggest strength. Noah's shot form is ugly(so was Reggie Miller's) but he can successfully move a 5 defender out of the paint. Asik cannot. Noah is much more skilled than Asik on the PnR, and just is a smarter, better, more talented player than Asik. I know you agree with that, but we just disagree on what is "replaceable". Those skills aren't replaceable unless you can acquire Marc Gasol.

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Exactly, that is one example of the all first team being.g a joke.

Is Noah better than asik? Yes..but not much better. Kobe hasn't been awesome on defense in 4 years.

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Noah gives you things that can't be measured by stats. When you see it you love it. IMO no other center in the NBA can give you that. Noah is a far better and more important player than Asik.

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When me and Nas agree its a rap. You all can just shut the fuck up at this point and absorb knowledge through osmosis or whatever.

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Don't know if Noah is a substantially better defensive player than Asik, but that's a different discussion. Sure we all can agree that Noah is more nimble on offense, and that while both players are not threats to score, Noah sucks less than Asik in that category. But even acknowledging Noah's superiority in terms of passing and ability to help facilitate plays and such, I view this as a luxury from the 5 spot that is great but ultimately disposable if it meant losing Noah to acquire a scorer. So for me, Noah is replaceable in the sense that even if you lose those qualities from the center spot, it still will not hurt your team's chances. It'd be different if the Bulls expected the center do all all those sorts of things in addition to defense and rebounding.

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Having a center that has the passing skills that Noah has is more valuable to this Bulls team than a center that can score a few more points. While Asik is a tough defender around the basket he is a liability outside the paint. Offensively he is stiff and couldn't make a free throw if his life depended on it.

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I also agree that scoring is not necessarily better than facilitating unless you are talking about a game changing scorer like Shaq(who so happened to be a top 3 passing big man when he played). There aren't any current centers in the NBA who fit that description. Given that, I'd much rather have the 2nd best center in the NBA for like $12M/year or whatever he makes than Asik(10-15th best centrr, maybe) for $8M/yr.

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Given the paucity of good centers today, I think calling Noah the second best center is kind of a backhanded compliment. He's certainly worth all the praise he's been given in this thread, I just think some of you are overvaluing him.

I don't want to further extend a Noah vs Asik debate because my argument less about Noah than it is about what I think are the Bulls' current needs. Bulls fans should be the last fan base that needs to be reminded of what you can do with two explosive perimeter threats and an average center or two. If Noah is worth a true scoring threat (doesn't have to be a center) on the trade market, then they should make that trade. Losing Noah in that kind of a trade will not reduce the team's chances for a title, and that's what I mean when I say he's replaceable.

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By pretty much any measure, the Nets have three(you could easily argue 4 as PP can still definite create his own shot and shoot) scoring threats. Would you rather have their roster or the Bulls? Lets say Thibs gets to coach both squads.

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The Bulls shouldn't try to match what other teams are already good at. They can't match teams like Miami or OKC on the perimeter. Beating them in areas where they are weak at is how they'll get over the hump. The Bulls can do that with their current roster if they are healthy.

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Again we agree. Trying to recreate Lebron + a great scorer is a fool's errand. Lets just focus on being a better version of Indiana which we almost certainly are with a healthy Rose. I think it should be clear to everyone that Miami is a very vulnerable champion, regardless of what you think of the Bulls.

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