Do they think you're going to steal the chicken or something, what does this mean exactly?

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He had called the non-emergency line several times before for people doing what Martin was doing. I don't know if they were all black or not, but I don't think that's why GZ was calling. My guess is he was calling because of all the previous crime in the neighborhood.


And he obviously eventually had to realize Martin was black... but was that right away? Kid, in hoody, in the distance, in the rain, wondering, staring at houses... I think that's why he called it in (just my guess). It's also possible he couldn't determine race when he initially saw him due to the dark/rain/distance/hoody. Very possible he called it in because he was black. We'll probably never know.

I think you're getting looks because people are wondering what a white guy from Schaumburg is doing on the south and/or west side.

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I know you're an asshole in general but I'm not sure if you're being one here. If so I'll just ignore any future comments.

The believe was Zimmerman thought Martin was suspicious because of his skin color and follow him for this very reason. Basically they're saying that a white kid walking in the rain with a hoodie on his head would be alive because Zimmerman would not have came to the same conclusion.

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Is "I eat at Harolds" the new "I have friends who are black"?

And which Harolds do you go to? Only one I can imagine is the one on Wells and Washington (Which I didn't like).

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It's incredibly different.

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Post of the year stuff right there. Ive certainly learned in my time here to read and listen to what those guys have to say on race and whether I agree or disagree with it Im 100% more understanding of their viewpoint than I was when I first started posting here.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

George Zimmerman’s History of 911 Calls: A Complete Log
by Matthew DeLucaMar 22, 2012 7:22 pm EDT
The dozens of calls to police Zimmerman made in the years before he shot Trayvon Martin.
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Along with the audio recordings of six calls to Sanford police that George Zimmerman made in the weeks before the Feb. 26 shooting of Trayvon Martin, the Sanford Police Department has posted reports of 46 911 and nonemergency calls it says Zimmerman made between August 2004 and Martin’s shooting.

The Daily Beast has compiled a list of the calls from the reports. Verbatim excerpts of the reports appear in quotes. An explanation of Sanford County police codes can be found here.
General Terms:

TEL = non-911 police number (answered by 911 dispatcher)

BM = black male

LSW = last seen wearing

46. Feb. 26, 2012 – 7:20 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Repeats prior report


45. Feb. 26, 2012 (night of Martin shooting) – 7:11 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Black male “late teens lsw dark gray hoodie jeans or sweatpants walking around area” … “subj now running towards back entrance of complex”


44. Feb. 2, 2012 – 8:29 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: “BM lsw: black leather jacket, black hat, printed PJ pants, he keeps going going to this” location


43. Jan. 29, 2012 – 5:38 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Disturbance
Report: Children “running and playing in the street”


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42. Dec. 10, 2011 – 5:29 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Disturbance
Report: “At the club house” … “Male subject [arrived on scene] that thought he was employed by” Zimmerman … “Subj is expected to get paid for serving food.” … Zimmerman “said that he didn’t wish him to serve at the [event]” … Zimmerman “hired someone else, subj sounded upset and wants to get paid”


41. Oct. 1, 2011 – 12:53 a.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Two black male suspects “20–30 YOA in [white] Chevy poss Impala at the gate of the community.” Zimmerman “does not recognize subjs or veh and is concerned due to recent” burglaries in the area


40. Sept. 23, 2011 – 11:08 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Neighbor/Suspicious activity
Report: Zimmerman reports “open garage door” … Describes “neighborhood watch mtg last night with Sgt Herx who [advised] to report anything [suspicious]” … Zimmerman “is part of neighborhood watch” and is concerned because of recent burglaries in the area


39. Aug. 6, 2011 – 10:20 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Two black males, one wearing a black tank top and black shorts, the second wearing a black t-shirt and jeans … “Subjs are in their teens”


38. Aug. 3, 2011 – 6:45 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Black male last seen wearing a white tank top and black shorts … Zimmerman “believes subject is involved in recent” burglaries in the neighborhood


37. May 27, 2011 – 9:18 a.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Alarm
Report: Zimmerman “has a self responding alarm that just notified him of” an alarm at this location


36. April 22, 2011 – 7:09 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Juvenile black male “apprx 7–9” years old, four feet tall “skinny build short blk hair” last seen wearing a blue t-shirt and blue shorts


35. March 18, 2011 – 9:26 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Animals
Report: Zimmerman requested an officer meet him regarding a pit bull in his garage


34. Nov. 26, 2010 – 2:54 a.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Alarm
Report: Zimmerman was out of town and a motion alarm he monitors himself went off


33. Nov. 8, 2010 – 6:54 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Maintenance
Report: Zimmerman reports “trash in roadwy”


32. Oct. 2, 2010 – 1:55 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Disturbance
Report: Zimmerman reports “blu jeep grand Cherokee female driver yelling at elderly passengers … windows are tinted” … “the veh was rocking back and forth and he could hear the female yelling”


31. June 26, 2010 – 11:00 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Disturbance
Report: “Loud party … approx 50 subjs & blocking the street”


30. June 12, 2010 – 11:13 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Disturbance
Report: Subject “at the clubhouse & pool areas having a party”


29. April 28, 2010 – 9:02 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Disturbance
Report: “White older model four-door Buick or Oldsmobile” obstructing road


28. Feb. 27, 2010 – 4:46 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: “Residence w/a lot of [suspicious] activity” … “multiple vehs are constantly coming to the” location … “unk subs run out to the vehs and run back inside” … “the subjs are always outside w/the garage open” … “the subjs hang out towards the st all night//ongoing problem”


27. Jan. 12, 2010 – 10:25 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Neighbor
Report: Open garage door … Zimmerman says “this is very unlike his neighbor” … “there is a lot of electronics in the resd and posb in the garage”


26. Jan. 1, 2010 – 4:34 a.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Disturbance
Report: Zimmerman reports reckless driver in “purplish Ford Ranger single cab”


25. Nov. 3, 2009 – 5:04 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Disturbance
Report: White Ford F350 that was “cutting people off”


24. Nov. 21, 2009 – 2:26 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Unclear


23. Oct. 23, 2009 – 9:18 a.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Animals
Report: “Aggressive white and brown pitbull” sitting outside Zimmerman’s home


22. Sept. 22, 2009 – 6:00 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Disturbance
Report: “Yellow speed bike … was speeding and weaving in and out of traffic and doing wheelies”


21. Sept. 7, 2009 – 9:01 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Maintenance
Report: “Pot hole in the road” … “it is deep and can cause damage to vehicles”


20. Aug. 26, 2009  - 8:35 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: “Gold Caprice … male driving with no headlights … speeding”


19. Aug. 21, 2009 – 6:57 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Conflict
Report: “Landlord is trying to take [Zimmerman’s] money for rent … and home in foreclosure”


18. June 16, 2009 – 3:50 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Disturbance
Report: Persons in the pool area playing basketball, “jumpin over the fence going into pool area and trashin the bathroom”


17. June 10, 2009 – 1:55 a.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Alarm
Report: Fire alarm going off


16. May 4, 2009 – 4:07 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Reports a blue Audi A4


15. March 12, 2009 – 6:58 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Patrol
Report: Patrol request between March 13 and March 22


14. Jan. 5, 2009 – 10:53 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Alarm
Report: Fire alarm going off


13. Nov. 25, 2007 – 12:40 a.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Disturbance
Report: “Ex roommate is letting people that [Zimmerman] don’t like in the” house


12. Nov. 25, 2007 – 12:21 a.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Disturbance
Report: White male ex-roommate last seen wearing a red Florida State University shirt


11. Oct. 14, 2007 – 4:10 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Possible criminal mischief to the tire of Zimmerman’s black Dodge Durango


10. June 24, 2007 – 12:48 a.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: “By the pool”, two Hispanic males and one white male with “slim jim”


9. Nov. 4, 2006 – 2:37 a.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: A call regarding a “late model red” Toyota pickup “driving around the neighborhood and apt complex for the past 5 min”


8. Sept. 23, 2005 – 7:03 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Zimmerman’s “little sister just call him from above” his address and advises “there was a” suspicious person “at the front door”


7. Sept. 21, 2005 – 9:00 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Animals
Report: Reports a stray dog


6. April 27, 2005 – 12:40 a.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Neighbor
Report: Open garage door


5. March 17, 2005 – 7:21 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Maintenance
Report: Pothole “that is blocking the road”


4. Oct. 20, 2004 – 9:13 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Disturbance
Report: Drunk pedestrian walking in the road


3. Aug. 20, 2004 – 11:33 p.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Neighbor
Report: Reports an open garage door


2. Aug.12, 2004 – 10:03 a.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Repeats earlier report


1. Aug. 12, 2004 – 9:59 a.m.
Type: 911
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Places a call reporting a male in a green Ford pickup

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Keeping in mind all the crime in the area, and the previous calls from Zimmerman for similar behavior...Is that what you believe? That he targeted him because of his skin color?

GZ called in everything. Even trash on the highway, lol.

Many of their locations are located there and you were insinuating that you were being "profiled" by black people. Many black people live on the south and west sides so I don't think it was much of a stretch to make the connection. And I don't think wondering what a white person is doing somewhere is equal to someone following a black person as they shop, which is what you seem to be doing here.

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Holy lord. That guy called 911 more than anyone in history.....and for some of the dumbest shit. Strange that he never considered moving.

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That's my purse! I don't know you!

He was like an old lady with that shit.

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IMU I thought my post should have been clear. Your initial response led me to believe you were being an asshole. If he stalked and confronted someone based on their skin color then self defense goes out the window.

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GO BEARS!!!

So you would think that someone looking at you funny because you're in a chicken joint is similar to being followed around a store by security or being targeted by cops or a neighborhood watch twat because of your color?

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. In my opinion, a look while at the shack is a lot different that someone thinking you're actively breaking the law because of your color. It's not the same ballpark, hell it's not even the same sport.

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For the record, I went to Harolds once in a while myself and never got any looks at all.
I just don't like the damn chicken.

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I don't think anything I've said so far has anything to do with Zimmerman but instead was responding to your thoughts on what constitutes profiling.

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You're discrediting everything GZ says. If his story is true as he told it, stalking and following someone doesn't justify an attack by someone screaming they are going to kill you, while trying to take your gun.

Based on his calls I believe it is safe to say he had an issue with black teens. It probably was based on a look and his personal experience. Trayvon probably fit that profile and he said what he had to say to get the police there. He wouldn't be the first person to profile someone based on a look. As I said in another thread I have been guilty of it myself. It's still wrong. Based on my experience I should definitely know better.

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GO BEARS!!!

Surely there are different degrees of profiling, right? I mean there's a difference between wondering why a white boy is in a Harold's Chicken Shack and a person following a black kid around a store.

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Man, I get the exact opposite sentiment from his call log. GZ would call on ANYTHING. Plenty of calls in there about males who were not identified as black.

Or maybe it was based on that the fact that blacks had been breaking and entering in that area so much so that a neighborhood watch was formed .

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Is that documented? They'd been arresting and convicting blacks in that area? I hadn't heard that.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
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I really wish you would read my posts in this thread. I understand what you're trying to do but you would save yourself some time.

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GO BEARS!!!

This happened right before the shooting:

That isn't a problem. I don't expect for you to see things the same way I do. There will be times when our views align.

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GO BEARS!!!

Definitely need to be somewhat skeptical of his family, but the last sentence from the FBI seems relevant:

Wow just like the moon and the sun...AQUARIUS...AHHH-QUAR-IIIUS!

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

That could very well be why Trayvon was profiled.

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GO BEARS!!!

Geez. I was joking. It was a double entendre.