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WASHINGTON—Following Saturday's not guilty verdict in the George Zimmerman trial, an exasperated and speechless nation could reportedly do nothing other than wish black teenagers good luck out there, saying that they’re definitely going to need it.

“Yeah, I don’t know what to tell you other than keep your wits about you and hope for the best,” Alexandria, VA resident Michael Klein advised the nation’s 10 million African-American youths. “Honestly, I’d recommend just staying inside after sundown if you can.”

“Try to stay safe, okay?” he added.

After neighborhood watch patrolman George Zimmerman was acquitted of all charges in a case where he admitted to shooting and killing unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, a frustrated U.S. populace said that maybe the only thing left for black teenagers to do is hope and pray for the best.

In addition, the citizenry said that it’s basically gotten to the point where African-American teens need to avoid walking alone, hanging out in groups, or even minding their own business, especially if they are planning to do any of those things in public.

Moreover, the nation told reporters that it’s pretty clear all black teenagers—whether they live in inner-city Chicago or the Florida suburbs—are pretty much on their own now, and the sooner they understand that nobody will be able to help them, the better off they’ll be.

“I mean, what can I say? You have no legal system to turn to, the police are out to get you, and everyone is immediately suspicious of you,” said Denver real-estate agent Kelly Martin, adding that she has been racking her brain trying to think of helpful advice for the teenagers, but that all she could come up with was, “Try to stay alive if you can.” “If you’re a black teen, you’re basically living in the Wild West right now. Not exactly words of encouragement, but there you have it.”

“You have to be able to defend yourself, and if you can’t defend yourself, I’m sorry,” she continued. “I’m truly, truly sorry.”

In addition to urging African-American youths to just keep their heads down and hope nobody messes with them, the populace noted that it couldn’t hurt if they also avoided making any fast movements, putting their hands in their pockets, or wearing anything that could somehow be construed as intimidating.

“If I were a black teenager, I would wear a white t-shirt and khaki shorts at all times, even if it’s winter,” said 34-year-old claims adjuster Nick Delmar. “Then again, some psycho would probably think white T-shirts and khaki shorts were some sort of gang thing, kill the kid, say he thought the kid appeared to be violent and dangerous, and probably be found not guilty.”

“What can I say other than it’s scary as all hell out there for you,” he added. “Good luck and godspeed.”



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A black teen is more likely to be killed by another black teen.

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A black teen is more likely to be killed by another black teen.


That doesn't sell papers or increase cable tv ratings.

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A black teen is more likely to be killed by another black teen.


That's a fact. Even then very few people notice. We're about 13% of the population but account for nearly 70% of all murders annually.

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WSJ sez black men need to solve their own problems: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... ason+riley

I'd post it, but they'd probably sue Biggie.

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Any candid debate on race and criminality in this country would have to start with the fact that blacks commit an astoundingly disproportionate number of crimes. African-Americans constitute about 13% of the population, yet between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the U.S. The black arrest rate for most offenses—including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes—is typically two to three times their representation in the population. The U.S. criminal-justice system, which currently is headed by one black man (Attorney General Eric Holder) who reports to another (President Obama), is a reflection of this reality, not its cause.

"High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination," wrote the late Harvard Law professor William Stuntz in "The Collapse of American Criminal Justice." "The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segregation but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans—and of African American control of city governments."

The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and "the system," but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and '80s in cities such as Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago and Philadelphia, under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the U.S. today are run by blacks.

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I think spmack posted a picture of Sue Biggie in the muffin top discussion over in the DB section.

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WSJ sez black men need to solve their own problems: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... ason+riley

I'd post it, but they'd probably sue Biggie.

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Any candid debate on race and criminality in this country would have to start with the fact that blacks commit an astoundingly disproportionate number of crimes. African-Americans constitute about 13% of the population, yet between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the U.S. The black arrest rate for most offenses—including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes—is typically two to three times their representation in the population. The U.S. criminal-justice system, which currently is headed by one black man (Attorney General Eric Holder) who reports to another (President Obama), is a reflection of this reality, not its cause.

"High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination," wrote the late Harvard Law professor William Stuntz in "The Collapse of American Criminal Justice." "The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segregation but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans—and of African American control of city governments."

The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and "the system," but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and '80s in cities such as Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago and Philadelphia, under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the U.S. today are run by blacks.


Bill Cosby agrees with this.

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Hatchetman wrote:
WSJ sez black men need to solve their own problems: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... ason+riley

I'd post it, but they'd probably sue Biggie.

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Any candid debate on race and criminality in this country would have to start with the fact that blacks commit an astoundingly disproportionate number of crimes. African-Americans constitute about 13% of the population, yet between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the U.S. The black arrest rate for most offenses—including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes—is typically two to three times their representation in the population. The U.S. criminal-justice system, which currently is headed by one black man (Attorney General Eric Holder) who reports to another (President Obama), is a reflection of this reality, not its cause.

"High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination," wrote the late Harvard Law professor William Stuntz in "The Collapse of American Criminal Justice." "The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segregation but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans—and of African American control of city governments."

The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and "the system," but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and '80s in cities such as Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago and Philadelphia, under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the U.S. today are run by blacks.


Bill Cosby agrees with this.



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WSJ sez black men need to solve their own problems: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... ason+riley

I'd post it, but they'd probably sue Biggie.

Here's a snippet:

Any candid debate on race and criminality in this country would have to start with the fact that blacks commit an astoundingly disproportionate number of crimes. African-Americans constitute about 13% of the population, yet between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the U.S. The black arrest rate for most offenses—including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes—is typically two to three times their representation in the population. The U.S. criminal-justice system, which currently is headed by one black man (Attorney General Eric Holder) who reports to another (President Obama), is a reflection of this reality, not its cause.

"High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination," wrote the late Harvard Law professor William Stuntz in "The Collapse of American Criminal Justice." "The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segregation but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans—and of African American control of city governments."

The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and "the system," but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and '80s in cities such as Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago and Philadelphia, under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the U.S. today are run by blacks.


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Hatchetman wrote:
WSJ sez black men need to solve their own problems: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... ason+riley

I'd post it, but they'd probably sue Biggie.

Here's a snippet:

Any candid debate on race and criminality in this country would have to start with the fact that blacks commit an astoundingly disproportionate number of crimes. African-Americans constitute about 13% of the population, yet between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the U.S. The black arrest rate for most offenses—including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes—is typically two to three times their representation in the population. The U.S. criminal-justice system, which currently is headed by one black man (Attorney General Eric Holder) who reports to another (President Obama), is a reflection of this reality, not its cause.

"High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination," wrote the late Harvard Law professor William Stuntz in "The Collapse of American Criminal Justice." "The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segregation but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans—and of African American control of city governments."

The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and "the system," but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and '80s in cities such as Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago and Philadelphia, under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the U.S. today are run by blacks.


Bill Cosby agrees with this.


Bill is mostly right.


Mostly? Completely.

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I think spmack posted a picture of Sue Biggie in the muffin top discussion over in the DB section.

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A black teen is more likely to be killed by another black teen.


That's a fact. Even then very few people notice. We're about 13% of the population but account for nearly 70% of all murders annually.


Why can't this be a topic that's addressed as though adults are talking by people of actual consequence?
(not complaining at you two ... me likey you two ... though I think that's known ... just reaffirming it for good measure)

Amongst your sphere of influences, doesn't that question come up as more than a throwaway "mmm-hmm" remark?
I have a sneaking suspicion that both of you have asked a similar question and been derided for it, and I actually factually feel bad if that's the case. I just don't know why people (me included) get swept up by the wrong things so easily while ignoring real issues and/or problems that should catch our attention much more wholly. Never mind really important stories such as Edward Snowden where ever creed and color should have a laser-like focus on.

I just sat here for a couple minutes and I'm not quite able to ascertain what my point was. So, in lieu of something intelligent, here's a "hello".

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WSJ sez black men need to solve their own problems: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... ason+riley

I'd post it, but they'd probably sue Biggie.

Here's a snippet:

Any candid debate on race and criminality in this country would have to start with the fact that blacks commit an astoundingly disproportionate number of crimes. African-Americans constitute about 13% of the population, yet between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the U.S. The black arrest rate for most offenses—including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes—is typically two to three times their representation in the population. The U.S. criminal-justice system, which currently is headed by one black man (Attorney General Eric Holder) who reports to another (President Obama), is a reflection of this reality, not its cause.

"High rates of black violence in the late twentieth century are a matter of historical fact, not bigoted imagination," wrote the late Harvard Law professor William Stuntz in "The Collapse of American Criminal Justice." "The trends reached their peak not in the land of Jim Crow but in the more civilized North, and not in the age of segregation but in the decades that saw the rise of civil rights for African Americans—and of African American control of city governments."

The left wants to blame these outcomes on racial animus and "the system," but blacks have long been part of running that system. Black crime and incarceration rates spiked in the 1970s and '80s in cities such as Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago and Philadelphia, under black mayors and black police chiefs. Some of the most violent cities in the U.S. today are run by blacks.


There is no question the people who committed these crimes are responsible for their actions. That being said there is more to it than just that. Drugs and poverty took over many strong communities. Black and brown people aren't born criminals. Unfortunately they become a product of their environments and those of us that are lucky enough to make it out can look back and see how things could have gone the other way. I know Trading Places was a movie but it is my belief that some of you would also make some of the same bad decisions.

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
A black teen is more likely to be killed by another black teen.


That's a fact. Even then very few people notice. We're about 13% of the population but account for nearly 70% of all murders annually.


Why can't this be a topic that's addressed as though adults are talking by people of actual consequence?
(not complaining at you two ... me likey you two ... though I think that's known ... just reaffirming it for good measure)

Amongst your sphere of influences, doesn't that question come up as more than a throwaway "mmm-hmm" remark?
I have a sneaking suspicion that both of you have asked a similar question and been derided for it, and I actually factually feel bad if that's the case. I just don't know why people (me included) get swept up by the wrong things so easily while ignoring real issues and/or problems that should catch our attention much more wholly. Never mind really important stories such as Edward Snowden where ever creed and color should have a laser-like focus on.

I just sat here for a couple minutes and I'm not quite able to ascertain what my point was. So, in lieu of something intelligent, here's a "hello".


"It's just the way it is" is a very popular thought. People are numb to it until it happens to someone they care about. Worrying about your kid being hit by a stray bullet or shot down as a teen or a young adult is something no one should have to worry about. Fewer people are killed in wars.

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There is no question the people who committed these crimes are responsible for there actions. That being said there is more to it than just that. Drugs and poverty took over many strong communities. Black and brown people aren't born criminals. Unfortunately they become a product of their environments and those of us that are lucky enough to make it out can look back and see how things could have gone the other way. I know Trading Places was a movie but it is my believe that some of you would also make some of the same bad decisions.


With all due respect Nas, I disagree wholeheartedly.

A lot of what's "wrong" with society and certain environments revolve around individuals making bad choices. Sure, people don't choose to live in poverty or around drug-infested neighborhoods. People choose to pull a trigger or shoot up their next fix.

Good people remain good because of making the right choices in the hardest moments of their lives.

It's all learned helplessness, and it's really fucking sad.


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There is no question the people who committed these crimes are responsible for there actions. That being said there is more to it than just that. Drugs and poverty took over many strong communities. Black and brown people aren't born criminals. Unfortunately they become a product of their environments and those of us that are lucky enough to make it out can look back and see how things could have gone the other way. I know Trading Places was a movie but it is my believe that some of you would also make some of the same bad decisions.


With all due respect Nas, I disagree wholeheartedly.

A lot of what's "wrong" with society and certain environments revolve around individuals making bad choices. Sure, people don't choose to live in poverty or around drug-infested neighborhoods. People choose to pull a trigger or shoot up their next fix.

Good people remain good because of making the right choices in the hardest moments of their lives.

It's all learned helplessness, and it's really fucking sad.


Not a problem. A lot of people share your views. The reality isn't that simple. We would all do things we wouldn't normally do to survive if put in a certain situation. It is my belief that does not make you a bad person.

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Not a problem. A lot of people share your views. The reality isn't that simple. We would all do things we wouldn't normally do to survive if put in a certain situation. It is my belief that does not make you a bad person.


To be fair, if I or my family are being attacked and I have to kill the guy to save them, so be it. I'll still probably face some type of charge. So I do agree there are exceptions.


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a lot is learned helplessness. but, there are people who have fallen through the cracks and have had to make choices for survival they thought they never would have made. this might be the extreme but is also true.


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A national guard squad on every street corner.

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A national guard squad on every street corner.

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Great idea! That will also solve the problem of out-of-work vets.

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Give the youth hope and a great education. Free after school programs with big brothers and sisters. Exposing them to different ethnic groups and integrating schools and neighborhoods.

I worked in an office when I was 21 and I was the only black guy (this has pretty much been true everywhere I've worked as an adult) out of about 40 people. We had a shirt and tie dress code with a casual Friday that basically meant you could wear whatever you wanted. I got along with everyone there and as far as I could tell no one had an issue with me. We even hung out after work. They considered me to be one of "the good ones". I blended in on casual Friday's until my production was good enough where I didn't fear losing my job. At that point I decided to make a political statement and come to work dressed in "urban" gear (I wore a belt). The looks I got told me what I already knew. I was one of the good ones because of the way I dressed and the fact they got to know me. If they didn't know me and saw me dressed that way they would have had a different opinion. I dressed the same way until I left.

That is one of the biggest issues. We're so segregated from one another that we rarely get the chance to get to know one another. We hold onto whatever prejudices we have and only look for things to validate them. Those prejudices is one of the primary reasons why it is so easy for people to ignore problems that don't effect their communities.

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That's a great point. We are still very segregated as a society.


What about the whole cycle of a young minority thinking he has no shot and turning to crime or just not trying?

Do you give them truth or pep talks?


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Something needs to be done to try and get through to the people living in the community that being smart, going to school, getting educated is the best and easiest way out . It doesn't appear as if that message gets through. Seems that that kind for thinking is derided for some reason. It HAS to start at home and be reinforced everyday . Again the family structure doesn't seem to be in place to support and reinforce it. Am I seeing that wrongly ? I don't know how to change that mentality and get that message out.

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