Two seasons??!!! WOW! Let me change that, the White Stocking are NOT cheap.

They just had their best player (M. Buehrle), to re-sign for significantly less because they're such a well run franchise.


.... If they find a way to cough up the dough for the $$ J. Crede will make in arbitration, I wouldn't count on having J. Garland, J. Vazquez or anybody else making over $3.00 back in '08.

Is it just me or do Linda S. and Darkside reinforce every stereotype Sox fans have about Cub fans? I'll admit that these two (all right, I throw in Harry "Team of Destiny" Tinynuts too) have given me a reason to now cheer for the Brewers, Padres, Braves, Dodgers, etc.

Yes, the Sox have sucked this year, but since they sucked early my angst has mostly subsided and my focus is on the future.

No, it's called a hometown discount.

Didn't Aramis Ramierz do the same thing for the Cubs last year, signing for under market value for a 30/100 type player (5 year for 73 million)?

Hello pot. Meet kettle.

It's only a matter of time before F. Constanza posts.

"Oh Mackie, let's talk about drums!!! Let's talk about music!!"

Dork.

I felt this way about the Cubs last year.

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And with that, it concedes.

What are you? Are you an actual mammal?

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Let me get this straight. Well run franchises don't try to retain their players as cheaply as possible? Under your theory, the Cub are a well run franchise because, as Bruce Levine mentioned yesterday, they refused Zambrano's offer of a 4 year extension for under 10 mil per year so that the Cub can now offer him Zito money to retain him? However, in your world the Sox were idiots for re-signing Buehrle at less than market value. Congratulations, Linda S, you truly are an idiot Cub fan. You, Harry Tinynuts, Tom Dressen, Jim Belushi and Steve Bartman all deserve each other.

Oh you'd like me to respond to the fact that a $73 million contract is UNDER MARKET VALUE? Seriously? That's considered UNDER the market value? In what market? You seem to be into finding figures, why don't you look up the top 5 paid 3B in the MLB. We'll pick up the argument there.

That's a hell of a strategy!!! "Hey, you're the best thing to ever happen to our franchise. We can only offer you 1/2 of what other teams will pay you, take it or leave it!"

I can see the free agents lining up to be a part of this team.

Linda S. with your "logic", you are an embarassment to educated women everywhere. You are Exhibit A for why the wack jobs in the Middle East make their women walk around covered from head to toe and refuse to allow them to speak unless spoken to.

...which I watched at O'Callaghan's on Hubbard during a very liquid lunch.


As a Sox fan, having gone through all of 2005, and bearing no real crosstown grudges anymore as a result, I'd love for some of my truly great Cub and baseball fan friends and relatives to be able to experience what we as White Sox fans got to in 2005. However, the Cubs are not the team I root for, so I will not do so, and on the flip side of the previous statement, I'm not too thrilled at the prospect of nonstop chirping coming from the seemingly endless legions of assclowns.

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You're the one doing all the name calling. I'm still waiting to hear some of your "logic."

2007 Salaries
ARod: 22.7 M
Beltre : 12.9 M
Chipper: 12.3 M
Glaus: 10.5 M
Chavez: 9.5 M
Ramierz: 9M
Lowell: 9 M
Melvin Mora 7.8M

With the exception of ARod, ARam is better than anyone on this list. He should really be in the top 30 salaries (which he is not).

..... Seems like A. Ramirez is getting his market share.

Play fair boys.
His contract is backloaded, and there was no home discount.

Aramis Ramirez 3b
5 years/$75M (2007-11), plus 2012 club option

re-signed as a free agent 11/06
$5M signing bonus
07:$8M, 08:$14M, 09:$15.65M, 10:$15.75M, 11:$14.6M player option, 12:$16M club option ($2M buyout)
full no-trade clause 2007-10, $1M assignment bonus if traded

Ramirez has right to void contract after 2010 & become a free agent
award bonuses: $75,000 each for Gold Glove or All Star selection, $0.25M for LCS MVP, $0.3M for MVP,$0.35M for WS MVP

Ramirez may void 2012 option, but doing so forfeits $2M buyout

2012 option becomes guaranteed if Ramirez:
wins one MVP in 2007-11, or

places 2nd or 3rd in MVP vote twice in 2007-11, or

wins LCS MVP once in 2007-11, or
is an All Star 3 times in 2007-11, or
is traded & Ramirez exercises 2011 option

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A voice of reason!!!
(not to be confused with the conspiciously absent Mr. Reason)
Bravo Stink.
With that intelligent post you just solidified my vote in your Who's Now bracket.

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How does the fact that A Ram has a fair market value contract and Buerhle doesn't show the sox are not a well run franchise? I guess the Patriots up until this year could be considered not a well run franchise for getting rid of their players they didnt want to pay (i.e. ty law, lawyer milloy, deion branch, etc.).

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I shall put it in a manner a simpleton like you can understand: Sox management did a great job re-signing Buehrle at a below market value contract whereas Cub management did a lousy job in refusing to re-sign Zambrano when he offered them a below market value contract.

I await the slow, dull firing of your Cub fan synapses that will undoubtedly cause you to opine that Sox management was idiotic whereas Cub management was smart in these instances.

I don't even understand this argument. Signing talent for the least amount of money is the hallmark of a great organization. Neither team has seemed to have a problem getting interest from available talent.

OakBrookJoe, do not even bother trying to use logic with Linda S. It is a futile endeavor.

and Konerko in 06, and Dye in 05. Contrary to what some believe, players have stated on several occasions that they want to play in this city and are willing to take a little less financially to make it happen. That is true for both sides of town. This really is not even an argument...but I know Linda knows that. Just stirring things up a little on a slow day.

Stink, this is a pretty good attitude and one I genuinely share.
I really have zero opinion on Sox as a whole. I was glad for their fans in 05, partially because they beat a rival NL Central team, partially for my a hole cousin who is a repugnant Sox fan who does nothing but give me shit about the Cubs (Called me after game 7 of the NLCS in '03 to talk shit, I 've never given her any Sox shit at all)
But the real shitter was seeing the Cards win it. The Sox, well, I just didn't care...
Linda, don't change the subject, this is not about salaries.

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You're comparing snakes and worms.

The NFL has a salary cap.

The MLB does not. J. Reinsdorf is cheap and just doesn't want to reward his players or keep his fan base happy. Bad business.

How do you know what C. Zambrano was offering the Cub?

Mac, thumbs up for a nice "fuck you" post to those without the ability to listen to any criticism. Keep it coming.
....and thumbs down for telling me (i think Friday around 5:35pm) during your discussion about Wannie, Dennis McKinnon and others how the '85 Bears managed to win only one Super Bowl. I know i'm being a grammar or language dick & I know what you meant, but the '85 Bears can only win one Super Bowl, the 1985 Super Bowl (played in '86, of course)....it was the '86, '87, '88 etc. who all failed to win Super Bowls.
Thanks, I feel better now.

Linda S.:

Reinsdorf is cheap for having the fourth highest payroll as HV pointed out? Does bad business include bringing 7 world titles to Chicago? Reinsdorf is far from the perfect owner (1994), but these complaints are odd from a cubs fan.

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Reinsdorf aint cheap. What was his payroll for the Sox this year? The Bulls in 97?
This is not a good argument from Linda.
The fact that They got Burls for cheeps seems to indicate he's a pretty good businessman, I think.

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