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 Post subject: Re: George HW Bush
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 Post subject: Re: George HW Bush
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Ronald Reagan sure gets a lot of love for being an evil bastard.



Can you explain when you have a moment?

Reagan fundamentally changed the American economy for the worse IMO. He came in office and immediately cut taxes disproportionately for rich Americans. We can argue all day that a 70% tax rate is too high but it was working. The rich were still doing well and the middle class could still see and believe that climbing into the upper class was possible. That changed when Reagan cut the tax rate from 70% to 28% in less than 8 years. The average worker pay has increased by less than 6% since then and we've seen CEO's pay increase by nearly 800%. Companies decided to ship jobs overseas and hire more low paying workers here to increase their bottom line at the expense of the worker. In fact most of the jobs he created were the low paying kind. The other effect of cutting taxes by 42% for the rich is it created a massive budget deficit. Our national debt went from a very manageable $900B to a bloated $2.7T. All of it was done to bleed government. Problem is when the average worker has seen their pay increase by less than 6% in 30 years they end up needing more government. If not for W Bush he would be by far the worst president in my lifetime and Clinton wouldn't be far behind. Even Nixon considered helping the workers with his employer mandated health care proposal.


I try to stay out of these conversations, because there is no point discussing politics on this board, but the bolded statement is one of the dumbest political thoughts ever posted here. It was not working at all. The US economy had completely tanked and unemployment was through the roof.

That said, I pretty much disagree with your entire assessment of what went on in the 80's, but again, there is no point attempting to provide points of why that was.


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 Post subject: Re: George HW Bush
PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:19 pm 
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Ronald Reagan sure gets a lot of love for being an evil bastard.



Can you explain when you have a moment?

Reagan fundamentally changed the American economy for the worse IMO. He came in office and immediately cut taxes disproportionately for rich Americans. We can argue all day that a 70% tax rate is too high but it was working. The rich were still doing well and the middle class could still see and believe that climbing into the upper class was possible. That changed when Reagan cut the tax rate from 70% to 28% in less than 8 years. The average worker pay has increased by less than 6% since then and we've seen CEO's pay increase by nearly 800%. Companies decided to ship jobs overseas and hire more low paying workers here to increase their bottom line at the expense of the worker. In fact most of the jobs he created were the low paying kind. The other effect of cutting taxes by 42% for the rich is it created a massive budget deficit. Our national debt went from a very manageable $900B to a bloated $2.7T. All of it was done to bleed government. Problem is when the average worker has seen their pay increase by less than 6% in 30 years they end up needing more government. If not for W Bush he would be by far the worst president in my lifetime and Clinton wouldn't be far behind. Even Nixon considered helping the workers with his employer mandated health care proposal.


I try to stay out of these conversations, because there is no point discussing politics on this board, but the bolded statement is one of the dumbest political thoughts ever posted here. It was not working at all. The US economy had completely tanked and unemployment was through the roof.

That said, I pretty much disagree with your entire assessment of what went on in the 80's, but again, there is no point attempting to provide points of why that was.


Well thanks for trolling.

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 Post subject: Re: George HW Bush
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Then wasted trillions in pointless government actions scapegoating & harming those who couldn't fight back. But his buddies got really, really well.


Sounds like the last 13 years of the presidency.

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 Post subject: Re: George HW Bush
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Then wasted trillions in pointless government actions scapegoating & harming those who couldn't fight back. But his buddies got really, really well.


Sounds like the last 13 years of the presidency.


You may have forgotten the numeral 'one' for the hundreds digit.

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 Post subject: Re: George HW Bush
PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:06 am 
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Nas wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Ronald Reagan sure gets a lot of love for being an evil bastard.



Can you explain when you have a moment?

Reagan fundamentally changed the American economy for the worse IMO. He came in office and immediately cut taxes disproportionately for rich Americans. We can argue all day that a 70% tax rate is too high but it was working. The rich were still doing well and the middle class could still see and believe that climbing into the upper class was possible. That changed when Reagan cut the tax rate from 70% to 28% in less than 8 years. The average worker pay has increased by less than 6% since then and we've seen CEO's pay increase by nearly 800%. Companies decided to ship jobs overseas and hire more low paying workers here to increase their bottom line at the expense of the worker. In fact most of the jobs he created were the low paying kind. The other effect of cutting taxes by 42% for the rich is it created a massive budget deficit. Our national debt went from a very manageable $900B to a bloated $2.7T. All of it was done to bleed government. Problem is when the average worker has seen their pay increase by less than 6% in 30 years they end up needing more government. If not for W Bush he would be by far the worst president in my lifetime and Clinton wouldn't be far behind. Even Nixon considered helping the workers with his employer mandated health care proposal.


I remember high unemployment and relatives paying 19% for home mortgage interest when Carter was president. And the shipping of jobs overseas really exploded after Clinton was elected.

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 Post subject: Re: George HW Bush
PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:42 am 
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Seacrest wrote:
Nas wrote:
Seacrest wrote:
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
Ronald Reagan sure gets a lot of love for being an evil bastard.



Can you explain when you have a moment?

Reagan fundamentally changed the American economy for the worse IMO. He came in office and immediately cut taxes disproportionately for rich Americans. We can argue all day that a 70% tax rate is too high but it was working. The rich were still doing well and the middle class could still see and believe that climbing into the upper class was possible. That changed when Reagan cut the tax rate from 70% to 28% in less than 8 years. The average worker pay has increased by less than 6% since then and we've seen CEO's pay increase by nearly 800%. Companies decided to ship jobs overseas and hire more low paying workers here to increase their bottom line at the expense of the worker. In fact most of the jobs he created were the low paying kind. The other effect of cutting taxes by 42% for the rich is it created a massive budget deficit. Our national debt went from a very manageable $900B to a bloated $2.7T. All of it was done to bleed government. Problem is when the average worker has seen their pay increase by less than 6% in 30 years they end up needing more government. If not for W Bush he would be by far the worst president in my lifetime and Clinton wouldn't be far behind. Even Nixon considered helping the workers with his employer mandated health care proposal.


I remember high unemployment and relatives paying 19% for home mortgage interest when Carter was president. And the shipping of jobs overseas really exploded after Clinton was elected.


The unemployment rate was 7% in 1980 and went up to 11% partial due to Reagan's attempt to get inflation under control. Without a doubt Reagan and Clinton were partners in crime when it comes to destroying the middle class and lower class and ultimately the American economy. We went from the worlds biggest creditor to the largest debtor under Reagan. A lot of wealth was created but not surprisingly it stayed at the top. Clinton's bailouts and terrible trade policies created a huge trade deficit. You're right his policies did help speed up the shipping of jobs overseas. His sleeping at the wheel during the stock bubble is criminal. The effects of these polices weren't felt until they were out of office. That's one of the reasons why they're the 2 greatest politicians in recent history. They royally fucked America and everyone loves them.

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