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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:29 am 
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Sounds like Roderick Scott case.

http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_st ... ot-guilty/

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I am telling you that this world wants us to bow and succumb only to the protections of our keepers.

This is complete bullshit. Another "kid" stakes out a house at 2am, climbs a locked fucking gate, approaches the household of a guy with a pregnant wife and young daughter, gets his ass FUCKING CAPPED, and now, due to fucking propagandistic politics stemming from the Zimmerman thing, he is being charged with 2nd Degree attempted Murder.

They want to cut our nuts off as a nation. They are telling us that the criminals are in the right, and that we are in the wrong.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/201 ... t-comments

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/07/zi ... %B7tion%29

Tell you what: Like one commenter said: might be time to load one non-lethal round into the chamber as a first shot. That might work to protect the REAL victims in these crimes: law-abiding citizens.

That's all you get - one fat beanbag or rubber round to the chest - the next one means business.


I share your initial outrage regarding the NO event, but this is not at all analogous to Zimmerman and Martin.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:41 am 
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Please explain how Qbo's post is racist?

Are you accusing the Panther Man of also being a racist?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:23 am 
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Maybe one shot in the air to spook the intruder?


KS, this isnt racial. You cant go into someone's yard at night time in this day and age and expect the homeowner to give you the benefit of the doubt. This isnt 1950


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Maybe one shot in the air to spook the intruder?
KS, this isnt racial.


:lol:

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Maybe one shot in the air to spook the intruder?
KS, this isnt racial.


:lol:

Scare. Warn. etc


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Maybe one shot in the air to spook the intruder?


KS, this isnt racial. You cant go into someone's yard at night time in this day and age and expect the homeowner to give you the benefit of the doubt. This isnt 1950

I guess so. I just think if Q.Bo's mentality was widely adopted there'd be a lot of dead teenagers.

I'm likely naive being raised a sheltered suburban life.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Maybe one shot in the air to spook the intruder?
KS, this isnt racial.


:lol:


Fuckin beat me to it. :lol:

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Maybe one shot in the air to spook the intruder?
KS, this isnt racial.


:lol:

Scare. Warn. etc


I know. It just made me laugh. I pictured someone making a mult called Spook The Intruder with an avatar like this:

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Whatever Qbo. Sure would hate to be a teenager in your neighborhood that loses a football, a cat or a dog and gets capped in the head for their troubles.

Sure are a lot of racist posts lately cloaked in some sort of angle of the law.

I don't give a fuck if you're colored red, white, blue, or green. You place my family in peril by your stupid, selfish, thoughtless actions, and you might face capital ramifications. Period.

If you don't belong there, don't BE there.

When the economy sucks and times are tough, the wolves get hungrier, so people have to be all the more vigilant. It's not the wolves fault that they are so desperate, but the fact remains that CRIMINALS ARE WOLVES, and you have to defend yourself from them or they will KILL YOU AND EAT YOU ALIVE.

Don't kneejerk accuse me of shit, buddy. I think of EVERYTHING before I do it and say it, and trends like this is starting to get me right pissed.

If you don't see the larger pattern here, you are one of those programmed drones who were interviewed recently who said that the First Amendment is overly broad and dangerous: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/07/ ... s-too-far/

Erosion is a slow, gradual process, but even the average scientist can take a simple look at the surrounding terrain and see what is happening and where it leads.


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Q.Bovifs wrote:
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Maybe one shot in the air to spook the intruder?


KS, this isnt racial. You cant go into someone's yard at night time in this day and age and expect the homeowner to give you the benefit of the doubt. This isnt 1950

I guess so. I just think if Q.Bo's mentality was widely adopted there'd be a lot of dead teenagers.

I'm likely naive being raised a sheltered suburban life.
Why would there be a lot of dead teenagers if you are firing a rubber round as the first salvo?

Maybe a lot of bad guys with bruised chestplates, but I highly suspect that the intruder is not going to run forward asking for more.

Have rubber bullets been around for a while? If so, they don't seem to be catching on. People seem to prefer to kill.


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Q.Bovifs wrote:
You're ignoring my larger point by nitpicking on a single observation. The statistics you cite do not do anything to refute that the pattern I allude to exists. Why are some exasperated Chicagoans calling for the National Guard to come save them? If there aren't MORE murders, then the outrage from them is significantly higher, and that is not measured on that table.

If those statistics can be relied upon to prove anything, Stairs, it is that Perception is obviously stronger then reality. Something that it is only further evidenced by the published accounts of a large number of people who wanted to act violently in response to news propaganda following the Zimmerman case.

We are being worked-on as a people.


How am I supposed to refute your subjective beliefs? If you think shit's coming apart at the seams there's nothing that I can do or say that will convince you otherwise.

'iunno maybe people are filled to the brim with more white-hot impotent rage then ever before and are just looking for some sweet release.

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What is the proper course of action when you see someone in your fenced in driveway looking into your car at night?


Im not saying, just shoot, but Im also not feeling sorry for someone who was obviously trying to commit a crime (and was already trespassing)


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You should only be allowed to use deadly force to protect yourself. If you are safely locked in your home with a firearm and you see someone stealing your car just call the cops. Your life isnt in any danger if someone is in your driveway. You have a better chance of putting your life in danger by confronting them.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:27 am 
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
You should only be allowed to use deadly force to protect yourself. If you are safely locked in your home with a firearm and you see someone stealing your car just call the cops. Your life isnt in any danger if someone is in your driveway. You have a better chance of putting your life in danger by confronting them.

Ok, what if you see the guy has a gun?

Wait til he points it at you?



I cant believe you guys have me defending gun guy, but you guys are being ridiculous.

Again, this isnt 1950. You cant go into someone's yard and you cant always wait for the authorities to handle things.

There is a time to protect your family. Lets not villify every homeowner with a gun, becasuse Zimmerman is an asshole


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Ok, what if you see the guy has a gun?

Wait til he points it at you?



I cant believe you guys have me defending gun guy, but you guys are being ridiculous.

Again, this isnt 1950. You cant go into someone's yard and you cant always wait for the authorities to handle things.

There is a time to protect your family. Lets not villify every homeowner with a gun, becasuse Zimmerman is an asshole

Fair points. I'm only 24 so I don't have a family to take care of. And I grew up in Arlington Heights. So I've never been put in a situation like this. I just can't get over the guy killing a teenager over breaking into his car. Seems extreme.


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RPB, where does the line get drawn? Someone steps on your lawn at night and you start firing?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 9:55 am 
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Q.Bovifs wrote:

There is a reason the mama bear kills first and asks questions later. ANY thought of your family getting hurt triggers an EXTREMELY strong protection mechanism.


Because it's a fucking bear and can't reason or process complex thoughts and ideas.

Terrible analogy.

I do however agree with you and Bryan that this is an over-correction because of the Trayvon Martin case.

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Ok, what if you see the guy has a gun?

Wait til he points it at you?



I cant believe you guys have me defending gun guy, but you guys are being ridiculous.

Again, this isnt 1950. You cant go into someone's yard and you cant always wait for the authorities to handle things.

There is a time to protect your family. Lets not villify every homeowner with a gun, becasuse Zimmerman is an asshole

Fair points. I'm only 24 so I don't have a family to take care of. And I grew up in Arlington Heights. So I've never been put in a situation like this. I just can't get over the guy killing a teenager over breaking into his car. Seems extreme.

I have a family and no one is getting shot over my car.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Ok, what if you see the guy has a gun?

Wait til he points it at you?



I cant believe you guys have me defending gun guy, but you guys are being ridiculous.

Again, this isnt 1950. You cant go into someone's yard and you cant always wait for the authorities to handle things.

There is a time to protect your family. Lets not villify every homeowner with a gun, becasuse Zimmerman is an asshole

Fair points. I'm only 24 so I don't have a family to take care of. And I grew up in Arlington Heights. So I've never been put in a situation like this. I just can't get over the guy killing a teenager over breaking into his car. Seems extreme.

I have a family and no one is getting shot over my car.

Good to hear. Where did you say you live again? :D


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RPB, where does the line get drawn? Someone steps on your lawn at night and you start firing?

No, Im not saying that.

Personally, Id call police and have my gun aimed in case he started moving toward the house.


What if he was IN the house?

Then what?


and KD, its not about shooting someone over a car. The car is not the thing. The "he may have a gun and kill me and my family thing" is.




Also, Im just trying to show the difference between what this guy did and what Zimmerman did. THis guy wasnt looking for trouble or to police the neighborhood. He was peacefully enjoying life in his home and someone came on his fenced in property.


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I would call the cops, move the family to the safest place, and have my gun ready.

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I'm guessing no one read the link I posted. This exact same case happened four years ago. Except it was in New York. Guy was found not guilty.

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Politics, propaganda, and pre-fabricated paranoia have usurped the rule of law.


That cuts both ways.

And the rule of law never stated that if you step on my property unannounced, then i get to cap you.

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I blame the homeowner for living in an area where people can hop his fence and attempt to break into his car. Why doesn't he just move?

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I blame the homeowner for living in an area where people can hop his fence and attempt to break into his car. Why doesn't he just move?


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I'm guessing no one read the link I posted. This exact same case happened four years ago. Except it was in New York. Guy was found not guilty.

We just all have you on ignore.



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I have mixed feelings. I don't think I would ever kill someone that was possibly trying to break in my car if me and my family were safely in my house. If I have enough time to see a kid/guy on my security system and go get a gun then I also had plenty of time to call the police. It was probably an area that has a fast response time too. It sounds like this guy was just pissed someone was trying to steal from him and he used deadly force. That being said he had that right because he was on his property.

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There is a longstanding legal principle that you are not allowed to set up unseen barriers to your house that could severely injure or kill someone trying to enter (i.e., no booby traps, electric fences, shotguns attached to strings, etc.). This case would seem to fall under that principle. If the intruder manages to get inside the house, however (and you are present), all bets are off.

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Panther, you are saying that you would put yourself in harms way and possibly but your family in harms way in order to stop a thief from stealing your car? I'd trade my families safety over my car any day of the week. The gun is to protect your life not your property.

And people saying that what if he came in the house.... He didnt that's the whole point. Call the cops and and guard your family.


On a sidenote, that is why I hate when my wife wakes me up because she heard a noise. Here I am half asleep wandering through the house with my old Louisville Slugger. If anyone was there they could take me out in half a second without trying. Better to stay asleep and let them rob us blind.

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