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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:02 pm 
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The NFL is scared of law suits. So they make all of these new rules on hitting.

Just make all NFL players sign a waiver where they agree to play with the knowledge that playing NFL football could cause severe injuries now and/or later in life, including brain damage. Every damn player would sign it. Then we can bring back the game we had just 5 or 6 years ago and we're good.

When tobacco companies put warnings on cigarette packs they saved themselves from liability. I don't see why the NFL couldn't do the same thing.

Because even with these new rules, the NFL still could get sued later by these current players. Because, like Bernstein says, there is still a lot of clicking of helmets on the offensive and defensive lines on every snap. It's not just the kill shots that cause brain damage.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:11 pm 
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Haha, yeah, congratulations, Beardown. You just solved concussions.

Don't you suppose the players' union miiiight work to oppose anything so oppressively simple as the players being made to waive all claims against the league?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:17 pm 
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Haha, yeah, congratulations, Beardown. You just solved concussions.

Don't you suppose the players' union miiiight work to oppose anything so oppressively simple as the players being made to waive all claims against the league?


Yeah. But the owners can hard line it. Don't sign. No games. No league. Lockout. Players will eventually buckle. The ones that don't, don't play.

They will buckle eventually. If not all, over 90%


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An employee can't waive those rights in most states. It's unenforceable by state law.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:20 pm 
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Beardown wrote:
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Haha, yeah, congratulations, Beardown. You just solved concussions.

Don't you suppose the players' union miiiight work to oppose anything so oppressively simple as the players being made to waive all claims against the league?


Yeah. But the owners can hard line it. Don't sign. No games. No league. Lockout. Players will eventually buckle. The ones that don't, don't play.

They will buckle eventually. If not all, over 90%

It's illegal to lock out a workforce under a collective bargaining agreement.

Also, what Dr. Ken said.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:22 pm 
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Alright. Wait for the current CBA to expire. Which is in like 8 or 9 years.

They'd still get beneits and a medical care plan. It's just the players would agree not to sue after they are done playing.


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It's just the players would agree not to sue after they are done playing.


Not legal.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:26 pm 
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If these current ex NFL plaintiffs win their court case against the NFL, wouldn't the NFL have to have them sign waivers to survive. Otherwise, they'd go out of business if billions of dollars keep going to ex players in these class action law suits.

These law suits would never stop.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:27 pm 
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I'm kind of unnerved that you would propose that the NFL supersede the law.

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Beardown wrote:
When tobacco companies put warnings on cigarette packs they saved themselves from liability.
Tobacco warnings were first required in 1965. In 1998 the 4 largest tobacco companies agreed to a 206 billion dollar settlement.

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Beardown wrote:
If these current ex NFL plaintiffs win their court case against the NFL, wouldn't the NFL have to have them sign waivers to survive. Otherwise, they'd go out of business if billions of dollars keep going to ex players in these class action law suits.

These law suits would never stop.


I believe that's exactly what could happen.

I'm not a lawyer but I'm fairly certain you can't waive your rights to sue in this way, preinjury, as a condition of employment. I think in some places you can get people to waive their rights after an injury occurs but that might have been legislated away as well.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Beardown wrote:
When tobacco companies put warnings on cigarette packs they saved themselves from liability.
Tobacco warnings were first required in 1965. In 1998 the 4 largest tobacco companies agreed to a 206 billion dollar settlement.


I know, but after that settlement they changed the label to be more specific. They haven't been sued since that billion dollar settlement in 1998.


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North, Bernstein, and Beardown on the same fundamentally flawed side of an issue. Delightful.

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