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Do you support banning Revenge of Mao from CSFMB?
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I agree that Mao sucks and if I were to ban anyone it would be him. But, who do you ban next, rooney?

I would have banned him two months ago but since then he (if it is the same guy) has become fairly amusing, same with HUGE.

If BigFan wants to do it, fine, it's his board. But, I'm not going to start wanting people banned.


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Ban everyone and let God sort it out.

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If he is the same person (which he is, I reckon) then you ban both unless the main character (whoever that may be) can post some sort of apology and explanation for their actions. I don't expecially care who else is caught up in the crossfire- if the i.p. address matches, something should be done to that person. If it's a well-respected poster (which I doubt, unless you count AFAKAPB as well-respected, and I don't think it's him anyway) then you give him a chance to explain why he's posting under multiple aliases and disrupting everyone else.

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quote="Dr. Kenneth Noisewater"]I agree that Mao sucks and if I were to ban anyone it would be him. But, who do you ban next, rooney?

I would have banned him two months ago but since then he (if it is the same guy) has become fairly amusing, same with HUGE.

If BigFan wants to do it, fine, it's his board. But, I'm not going to start wanting people banned.
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Let's say your a Cubs season ticket holder and very game you showed up too a pain in the ass , drunk fan annoyed you to the point you could not enjoy the game..You mean to tell me you would not want him banned? Same should go here.. I love to read the argumets and thoughts but like Irish said If you set a tone or send a message these types of people will think twice about being a tool. I honestly think that is why B.F. wants to start charging for this board.

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Stu should be banned for no other reason than just being himself. :P

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I hate Mao's posts and find them to be a waste.

But I don't think he should be banned. Slippery slope theory.

As somebody stated, we police ourselves. If the posts are garbage, no one responds and he goes away.

If he gets a reaction, even a negative one, even this one, then he is providing something. Nobody may like what he's providing but that's a decision we make.

Besides, he hasn't really been around much lately has he? I think he is basically gone.


1)While I concede that your concerns are valid, your "slippery slope" theory nevertheless strikes me as alarmist. As I have already stated, I favor banning Mao not because his opinions are offensive, but because he deliberately floods the board with nonsense, a strategy designed to disrupt discussion, alienate "regulars" and undermine the board. Mao's posts should thus not be defended in the name of "free speech", then, because they 1)communicate nothing and 2)are an attempt to curtail discussion, thus limiting the free speech of others.

2)The poster who mentioned self-policing actually supports banning Mao, so your reference would seem to undermine your own position.

3)If you believe Mao "provides something" to the board, please define what that something is. I believe Mao knows that he is engaging in sabotage, which explains why he posts as Mao rather than his "normal" identity (bigfan has confirmed that Mao is the alias of a "regular" poster).

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People seem to fundamentally misunderstand "free speech"- just because you have a right to say something eithout being punished doesn't mean you have a right to say something on any particular media at any particular time. .


You obviously have not read your CSFMB constitution and the subsequent legislation and case/common law that were bourne from it.

No one gets banned...not the guy with the masturbating nun avatar, not the person who posted tubgirl not the new guy who creates polls for inane questions.


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41 people want him banned which IMO says that he should be banned. Agree that Rooney is/has gotten better, but Rooney just threw insults around. Mao's posts have no point.

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Doc , let me play Harry for a second...... Hey Doc, HARRY HERE...

Let's say your a Cubs season ticket holder and very game you showed up too a pain in the ass , drunk fan annoyed you to the point you could not enjoy the game..You mean to tell me you would not want him banned? Same should go here.. I love to read the argumets and thoughts but like Irish said If you set a tone or send a message these types of people will think twice about being a tool. I honestly think that is why B.F. wants to start charging for this board.


To me that's apples and oranges. I don't come here for news. I come to be entertained and if I get any real information out of the time here, that's a bonus. I think in some weird way Mao is trying to entertain or at least make a statement. I don't like it and/or don't really understand it but I'm not going to be the one who says he can't do it.

At a game, I can't get away from it. Here you can fairly easily. If you see his ugly face you scroll down to the next post. If you see he has posted a new subject, you ignore it.

I'm not going to cry any tears if he gets banned. I just think it sets a bad precedent. But, that statement right there tells me that I've thought about this too long. So, ban away, whatever.


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People seem to fundamentally misunderstand "free speech"- just because you have a right to say something eithout being punished doesn't mean you have a right to say something on any particular media at any particular time. .


You obviously have not read your CSFMB constitution and the subsequent legislation and case/common law that were bourne from it.

No one gets banned...not the guy with the masturbating nun avatar, not the person who posted tubgirl not the new guy who creates polls for inane questions.


...and not, apparently, the guy who wants to destroy the board by making it incomprehensible.

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bigfan has confirmed that Mao is the alias of a "regular" poster.


I missed that, but if it's true, I'd like to know who it is. I've enjoyed the board more by posting less and reading more, but Mao screws this up for me. I hate seeing 12 posts in a row from him.


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bigfan has confirmed that Mao is the alias of a "regular" poster.


I missed that, but if it's true, I'd like to know who it is. I've enjoyed the board more by posting less and reading more, but Mao screws this up for me. I hate seeing 12 posts in a row from him.


It's absolutely true according to big fan. He said he hadn't noticed that Mao was an alias for a regular until I asked him to investigate on Friday. He has not, however, told me who Mao's secret identity is.

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There has been much clutter here the last month or so. So much so, I left for awhile. Maybe I'll stick around, but I just don't have the time to sift through the shit to find something worth reading or responding to.

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Tall Midget wrote:
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People seem to fundamentally misunderstand "free speech"- just because you have a right to say something eithout being punished doesn't mean you have a right to say something on any particular media at any particular time. .


You obviously have not read your CSFMB constitution and the subsequent legislation and case/common law that were bourne from it.

No one gets banned...not the guy with the masturbating nun avatar, not the person who posted tubgirl not the new guy who creates polls for inane questions.


...and not, apparently, the guy who wants to destroy the board by making it incomprehensible.


Nope. Let him develop the character. Maybe it will come around. If not, just ignore it.

I guess their are some rare instances for banning. The Turks needed to be banned, and I assume you would put Mao in their classification. The only time a banning is in order is when a poster is a danger to the continued existence of the board or the safety of its memberss.


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There has been much clutter here the last month or so. So much so, I left for awhile. Maybe I'll stick around, but I just don't have the time to sift through the shit to find something worth reading or responding to.


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Tall Midget wrote:
1)While I concede that your concerns are valid, your "slippery slope" theory nevertheless strikes me as alarmist. As I have already stated, I favor banning Mao not because his opinions are offensive, but because he deliberately floods the board with nonsense, a strategy designed to disrupt discussion, alienate "regulars" and undermine the board. Mao's posts should thus not be defended in the name of "free speech", then, because they 1)communicate nothing and 2)are an attempt to curtail discussion, thus limiting the free speech of others.

2)The poster who mentioned self-policing actually supports banning Mao, so your reference would seem to undermine your own position.

3)If you believe Mao "provides something" to the board, please define what that something is. I believe Mao knows that he is engaging in sabotage, which explains why he posts as Mao rather than his "normal" identity (bigfan has confirmed that Mao is the alias of a "regular" poster).


1) Just because I don't understand it doesn't mean he doesn't have one. I am very dull. Also, there are many people here with agendas I don't understand (railing against hosts, for example). I consider them to be flooding the board with nonsense too but I don't want them banned either. If you say that this board is strictly to be for posting radio/sports opinions, then I may understand. But, in my opinion, the board has expanded to be as much about general topics as radio opinions. So, who am I to say he's got no point?

2) Perhaps I referenced a poor choice of words. My meaning was that we "police" the board through our responses or lack thereof. Self-pruning may have been a more appropriate phrase to use. But, again, through our responses, not through outright banning.

3) Again, I have no idea what it is. I think he referenced in one post that he thought people were taking themselves too seriously here. But, just because I don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't there. Perhaps our criteria for banning should be to "Ban everything Dr. Kenneth Noisewater doesn't understand."


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There wouldn't be a message board then Ken! :wink:

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People seem to fundamentally misunderstand "free speech"- just because you have a right to say something eithout being punished doesn't mean you have a right to say something on any particular media at any particular time. .


You obviously have not read your CSFMB constitution and the subsequent legislation and case/common law that were bourne from it.

No one gets banned...not the guy with the masturbating nun avatar, not the person who posted tubgirl not the new guy who creates polls for inane questions.


...and not, apparently, the guy who wants to destroy the board by making it incomprehensible.


Nope. Let him develop the character. Maybe it will come around. If not, just ignore it.

I guess their are some rare instances for banning. The Turks needed to be banned, and I assume you would put Mao in their classification. The only time a banning is in order is when a poster is a danger to the continued existence of the board or the safety of its memberss.


1)Mao is the tool of a "regular" poster. The character shows no sign of evolving because it has only one purpose--to undermine the board.

2)Consider Reason's post above, BD's earlier post, and Woodridge Ryan's Mao-induced hiatus. If we lose all three of those guys, the quality of discussion around here will be significantly compromised.

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There wouldn't be a message board then Ken! :wink:


Dat's eggzactly right.

I think after Mao we should ban that guy that keeps cluttering up the board with posts about NASCAR. They communicate nothing as well.


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
1)While I concede that your concerns are valid, your "slippery slope" theory nevertheless strikes me as alarmist. As I have already stated, I favor banning Mao not because his opinions are offensive, but because he deliberately floods the board with nonsense, a strategy designed to disrupt discussion, alienate "regulars" and undermine the board. Mao's posts should thus not be defended in the name of "free speech", then, because they 1)communicate nothing and 2)are an attempt to curtail discussion, thus limiting the free speech of others.

2)The poster who mentioned self-policing actually supports banning Mao, so your reference would seem to undermine your own position.

3)If you believe Mao "provides something" to the board, please define what that something is. I believe Mao knows that he is engaging in sabotage, which explains why he posts as Mao rather than his "normal" identity (bigfan has confirmed that Mao is the alias of a "regular" poster).


1) Just because I don't understand it doesn't mean he doesn't have one. I am very dull. Also, there are many people here with agendas I don't understand (railing against hosts, for example). I consider them to be flooding the board with nonsense too but I don't want them banned either. If you say that this board is strictly to be for posting radio/sports opinions, then I may understand. But, in my opinion, the board has expanded to be as much about general topics as radio opinions. So, who am I to say he's got no point?

2) Perhaps I referenced a poor choice of words. My meaning was that we "police" the board through our responses or lack thereof. Self-pruning may have been a more appropriate phrase to use. But, again, through our responses, not through outright banning.

3) Again, I have no idea what it is. I think he referenced in one post that he thought people were taking themselves too seriously here. But, just because I don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't there. Perhaps our criteria for banning should be to "Ban everything Dr. Kenneth Noisewater doesn't understand."


I have to say that I think you're being deliberately dull on this matter. Mao demonstrates his purpose over and over again by posting non sequiturs. The problem with Mao isn't that his posts are dumb, it's that they are anti-communicative, an attempt to prevent other people from communicating with one another.

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I have to say that I think you're being deliberately dull on this matter.


Ah, you're on to me.

Ban his ass!! And Rooney and Potter too. Just let Rooney finish that damn contest first.


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There wouldn't be a message board then Ken! :wink:


Dat's eggzactly right.

I think after Mao we should ban that guy that keeps cluttering up the board with posts about NASCAR. They communicate nothing as well.


Stupid posts still allow for discussion. Mao's intentionally decontextualizing, indecipherable posts undermine intentionally undermine discussion.

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Stupid posts still allow for discussion.


Thanks. It's good to feel wanted.


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As annoying as the orange shaking bell can be, if everybody just ignored him and didn't reply to his posts eventually he'll go away.
Although Mr. Pickles made an appearance today :(

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1)Mao is the tool of a "regular" poster. The character shows no sign of evolving because it has only one purpose--to undermine the board.

2)Consider Reason's post above, BD's earlier post, and Woodridge Ryan's Mao-induced hiatus. If we lose all three of those guys, the quality of discussion around here will be significantly compromised.[/quote]

I have never had a difficult time ignoring his posts. He is kind enough to keep them compartmentalized in his own threads.


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I'm suprised a poster like Mao has this much control over other people. If he truly has driven Reason, WR, and possibly others such as TM, Coast, Coach, or doug then I really don't have a problem with him being banned.

I hope Mao is not someone I like or respect. If it is a regular, I find it odd that person would get some entertainment from driving good people away on a board they use. I wish Mao and so of the other trolls would stop as they do consume too much time and take away from the board.


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I'm suprised a poster like Mao has this much control over other people. If he truly has driven Reason, WR, and possibly others such as TM, Coast, Coach, or doug then I really don't have a problem with him being banned.


If he is driving these people away, then he's 100% right if the point he's trying to prove is that we take ourselves too seriously.

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Although Mr. Pickles made an appearance today :(

I apologize for responding to his first post today. Let's make it a point to stay the hell away from him (and Mao if he posts today) and hope they get the picture.

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