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Thomas Jones was clearly a better runner last year


I would say that was true for the first half of last year. IMO, Benson was the better runner in the second half.

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I think some people underestimate how much 1200 yds means in a season. People are predicting shit like 1600 yds and 18 TDs for Benson, and that is just ridiculous. Thomas Jones was clearly a better runner last year and the year before(understandably Benson needed to adjust to the NFL) and he only got 1300 and 1200 yds, respectively. If Benson gets 1300 yds, you guys should consider that a very good season for his first year as a full time starter. WestmontMike saying he needs to see 18 TDs this year to be a believer is just plain idiotic, no offense. If LT isnt in the league, 18 TDs could easily lead the league.

Taper your expectations for Benson, It is reasonable to expect 1200 yds, it is forseeable he gets 900-1100, and if he reaches his #4 pick potential this year, he could possible make his way up to 1600 yds, but that is a ridiculous goal considering its his first year as a full time starter, remember there is a reason he couldnt take TJ's job last season


Let me clarify....I'm not predicting that Benson will get 18 tds....I'm not predicting anything at all. I'm just saying that based on the attitude that Angelo had with Thomas Jones, basically sayin that Benson is, by far, a better back than Jones...then Benson better get 15 - 18 TDs to justify to me handing him the job over a proven player.... don't go all "Nas" on me and just assume my meaning and put words in my mouth. Let's discuss


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I think some people underestimate how much 1200 yds means in a season. People are predicting shit like 1600 yds and 18 TDs for Benson, and that is just ridiculous. Thomas Jones was clearly a better runner last year and the year before(understandably Benson needed to adjust to the NFL) and he only got 1300 and 1200 yds, respectively. If Benson gets 1300 yds, you guys should consider that a very good season for his first year as a full time starter. WestmontMike saying he needs to see 18 TDs this year to be a believer is just plain idiotic, no offense. If LT isnt in the league, 18 TDs could easily lead the league.

Taper your expectations for Benson, It is reasonable to expect 1200 yds, it is forseeable he gets 900-1100, and if he reaches his #4 pick potential this year, he could possible make his way up to 1600 yds, but that is a ridiculous goal considering its his first year as a full time starter, remember there is a reason he couldnt take TJ's job last season


Let me clarify....I'm not predicting that Benson will get 18 tds....I'm not predicting anything at all. I'm just saying that based on the attitude that Angelo had with Thomas Jones, basically sayin that Benson is, by far, a better back than Jones...then Benson better get 15 - 18 TDs to justify to me handing him the job over a proven player.... don't go all "Nas" on me and just assume my meaning and put words in my mouth. Let's discuss


OK, while I would say that 1400 yds and 14 TDs would easily justify Angelo's decision(as opposed to needing 1600 and 18 ), I misunderstood you and I think we actually agree on this topic, because while I think Angelo is one of the best front office guys in the league(can we trade Ted Thompson for him? :lol: ), I think he screwed up by drafting benson, then feeling pressure to trade away TJ to play Benson. It was an unneccessary risk for a team that simply needed to bring back last years team, add Olsen, and hope Rex matures and they are in the SB again with a chance to repeat. Hoping Benson can make it through the season uninjured and just as productive was a risk that an elite team did not need to take.

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If he plays the whole season and gets the majority of the snaps then he better have more tha 1200 yards or the Bears are not going anywhere. At 1200 yds that would make his game average be 75 yds. We need much more than that to end where we did last year, considering the passing attack we have. Unless the passing game can put up at least 260 a game we need or running game to at very least average 100 a game. We need to stop relying on the defense to bail us out all the time.

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If he plays the whole season and gets the majority of the snaps then he better have more tha 1200 yards or the Bears are not going anywhere. At 1200 yds that would make his game average be 75 yds. We need much more than that to end where we did last year, considering the passing attack we have. Unless the passing game can put up at least 260 a game we need or running game to at very least average 100 a game. We need to stop relying on the defense to bail us out all the time.


tmurf, seriously do you watch football?

Jones had 1200 yds rushing last year and the running game was fine. In this day and age it is rare to see one player get more than 75% of a teams rushing yards. If peterson can be an adequate backup and wolfe can add anything, then 1200 yards will be more than acceptable as a feature back production. Thats most likely what TJ woulda gotten if he stayed here, and the past two seasons thats all it took to consider him prolly the best Bears RB since Payton, at least over a two year span. 1200 yards rushing is not something to scoff at

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/RYDS/2006/regular

So if he is not a top 11 back his first year as a starter, than the Bears are not going anywhere?????

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Benson has to replace Jones plus make up for the fact that AP and Wolf can't back him up as well as he backed up Jones. TJ averaged 1150 yards and 8 TDs in his 3 years with the Bears. I don't expect Benson to get much more than that, but he'll have to if they wanna win AND justify picking him.


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i didn't say 1200 was anything to scoff at but if he gets the majority of the plays 1200 ain't gonna do it. We are not going to have a magical season like we did last year with all the amazing defensive and special teams plays. I really think he needs to be amazing this year for us to have a chance.

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i didn't say 1200 was anything to scoff at but if he gets the majority of the plays 1200 ain't gonna do it. We are not going to have a magical season like we did last year with all the amazing defensive and special teams plays. I really think he needs to be amazing this year for us to have a chance.


I guess agree to disagree because I dont view last year as a magical season (i.e. 2001) with amazing plays on D and Special Teams. The reason they had those plays is because they have a very elite D and a very elite KR, so its not really a coincedence. I actually think, on the contrary, the Bears did not play up to their potential last year and should expect to repeat those results this year if Benson can fill in for what TJ did. I think if Benson gets 1200, Peterson and Wolfe will combine for 500 to 600 and that will be good for 1700-1800 yds total. While you would like to see them get to 2000 as a team, I think that will suffice if Rex doesnt try to re-enact Ty Detmer again this year.

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How can you say they did not play up to their potential when they had a QB that was basically in his first year starting and a receiving core that does not have one recognizable name on the roster accept Muhsin. Lets not even start talking about the TE position. Their defense had mulitple injuries and had to plug in rookies in key positions. I agree that 2001 had crazier plays than last but we still should have had about 3 or 4 more losses. This year there are expectations but last year there were only long shot hopes and dreams that actually came 95% true.

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How can you say they did not play up to their potential when they had a QB that was basically in his first year starting and a receiving core that does not have one recognizable name on the roster accept Muhsin. Lets not even start talking about the TE position. Their defense had mulitple injuries and had to plug in rookies in key positions. I agree that 2001 had crazier plays than last but we still should have had about 3 or 4 more losses. This year there are expectations but last year there were only long shot hopes and dreams that actually came 95% true.


They didnt play up to their potential because their D let them down big time at the end of the year, and in the Super Bowl. I understand Rex had a hideous game in the SB, but it doesnt absolve the D from blame for not being able to stop Peyton. Rex clearly didnt play up to his potential either, thats understatement of the year. Talent is there, consistency isnt. As for your TE remark, the Bears got more production from the TE spot last year then they have in a long time. And finally, your last sentence is retarded, they made the playoffs the year before with Orton giving a good Krenzel imitation for like 10 games. Rex was gonna be their savior last year and there were big expectations going into last year and 95% of THOSE did come true.

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The whole point of this arguement was that you said they did not play up to their potential last year. So by you saying they had much greater contributions from the TE position than seasons prior totally contradicts your original statement. I think there were hopes for Grossman last year at best not expectations. How can you expect someone to play a certain way when you really only got a sample of what they can do? I think he for sure lived up to what he could be but did have games that you expect out of a 3rd stringer. You can't blame the D for the Super Bowl at all considering how much they were on the field. Long season finally caught up and they wouldn't have been there without their play anyways.

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So with that being said Nas, do you agree with my statement that it is the Bears system that produces good RB's and a lot of RB's would do a good job here much like the Broncos success?

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It might be the system but I haven't seen enough evidence to agree with that statement. The system has only been in place for 3 years. Anthony Thomas did good before Jones got here too. Running back hasn't been a problem for the Bears in almost 10 years but they've had about 5 systems. Denver hasn't had a running back problem in almost 15 years and they have had the same system. That's why Denver can plug a RB in off the street and not miss a beat.


As an admittedly less educated fan, I think the point about the line getting older and Rex possibly passing more with Olsen, Hester and the gang (Will Hester be much more than diversion? We'll see), the issue of whether Benson can post Jones-like numbers might be academic.

Of course, pre-season itself is full of diversions and trickery. Will wait until season opener for the new secret weapon -- the flank pass! Umm, ... :twisted:

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