You and EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE PLANET

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I'm not going to go look it up but plenty of people thought the Edwin Jackson signing was a good one. I remember people on this board arguing with me, including immessedup17 if I recall.

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Wrong AGAIN. Apologist, Joe Orr, Phil McCracken, Drop In, cpguy and RFDC are some of those who have posted in support of the signing. I know you only posted this stupid thought to try to minimize the credit I might claim for being right about this, but you just made yourself look stupid....again.

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If we're going to crack on ES for his horrible opinions when he's not stating the obvious, I have to give him credit here. I didn't shit on the Jackson signing, and I'm not now. At the end of the contract, or when he's traded, I'll evaluate the overall value.

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I'm not going to say I supported it, (or would have, had I had a rooting interest in the team) more that I can kind of see what they were trying to do. Pasta keeps throwing out the $52MM number, $13MM/ yr is about market value. I'm not even sure how I got thrown in to the Jackson detractors or supporters.

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There. I just gave you a great call for Mac Monday.

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It's also pointless to compare him to Maholm, or suggest they wouldn't have signed him if they didn't trade Maholm. The goal of this process is to add as many pieces as possible. I also don't want to be lumped into a group saying it was a great move. I questioned it at the time, and I question it now. But I certainly wasn't crapping on it, and I won't be hypocritical now.

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Look at the other guys they brought in. A couple years ago you had Volstad and a whole bunch of other AAAA flaming dung starting games, you figure maybe Epstoyer decided "Hey, we are gonna grab some of these injury or reclamation projects, and see what might stick" because I'm pretty sure the plan all along was that Garza was going to get flipped for assets that can help down the road (which, from an outsider perspective, actually turned out by most accounts to be a very good haul). So you get Villanueva, Baker, Feldman. It makes sense to hedge those gambles with a veteran, durable FA starter that it doesn't cost prospects to acquire. (KC traded their top prospect to get Shields, just that offseason, if you recall). After Anibal took Detroit's money, Edwin is probably the next logical target. Look, we have no idea what the front offices are thinking, but if one actually thinks like a modern GM in a vacuum, my theory about their process seems certainly plausible.

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I just looked it up, The Cub gave 46 starts to pitchers with ERA over 6.30 in 2012. It was going to take a lot more than Maholm....

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Villanueva, Baker and Feldman all made sense. Jackson did not. Jackson is not good enough to be part of the long-term and over paying for a guy that is not going to be flipped (they probably couldn't trade him if they wanted to) or a fixture for the future. It was their biggest mistake by far to date.

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there's no need to compare Maholm or even bring him up. Edwin Jackson was a stupid signing. It was a stupid signing from day 1, and ranks up there with Hendry's colossal blunders, Soriano and Bradley. There was no good reason to sign him to the money they did. They didn't need him. Bring up some triple A lifer for a season or two. We're obviously not concerned with being good.

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meh.... edwin jackson was an impulse buy after anibal sanchez spurned the cubs' offer to go pitch for le tigre. i think the cubs identified anibal as having + stuff and a bright future for roughly the same $$$ as jackson, so after that deal fell through i think that theo and co was feeling itself a little bit too much after some of their draft/cuban picks/signings and they decided that since they went through the mental rigors to allocate the $$$ to sanchez, welp, when it fell through that $$$ was burning a hole in their pocket and they turned to edwin jackson, figuring he'd be a solid #3 if not even a possible #2 who provided some quality innings for the cubs and in the case that he struck gold, welp, you've either got an ace for your staff (how's that ACE SHARK SAMARDZIJA thing going for you cubs fans?!?! 4.30+ era now, right?) or some beautiful tradebait.....

but they signed edwin fucking jackson. there's a reason you were able to get him over to a piss poor team @ 4/52 --- he's edwin fucking jackson. i reckon he's earned an even edgier middle name by this juncture in time and space cuz i figure cubs universe can't stand seeing him trot out there every 5 days for another thrilling 8-3 loss to the marlins.

so yeah, i think edwin jackson is the result of hubris in the wake of being rejected by a similar-tier pitcher who's better at pitching (anibal sanchez) and having that $$$ allocated in their head and thinking "oh yeah? we'll show him.... we're the goddamn newschool chicago cubs and this is how we roll........"

indeed, the goddamn newschool chicago cubs roll via paying $13mil/yr for a pitcher with a 5+ ERA =D

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That's just fucking retarded.

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btw, am i the only one who's glad that the cubs dodged a bullet by not getting dan haren? he was a fine first half pitcher for most of his career (cuz man, in fantasy baseball the rule of thumb was to trade dan haren by/right-after the ASB and you'd end up with a 1/2 season of ~2.25/0.90 or whatever and then you'd avoid the ~4.50/1.30 second half that ultimately amounted in a ~3.14/1.11 type season.....

but yeah, haren's done.... MAYBE he can get another small/ish deal being a #5 for a team (or a #4 for the marlins/twins..... staff ace for the astros, erik bedard notwithstanding) but like, shit, i'm glad that he isn't taking away starts from chris rusin or someone else who potentially has a future with the team.... haren's even worse than edwin jackson this year, IIRC. that should say something right there.

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P.S. I meant the R word.

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did you ever cheer for the bushwhackers? if so, i reckon you shouldn't have a huge intrinsic problem with the term/word/etc..... cuz those guys embodied what the word's all about and pushed it to the point of being a gimmick, so if you pull for guys who act r'd.... well in the end labels are just labels and whatever, but i think acting the fool has the same relative effect as using the r-word..... just my two cents anyways.

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This is the kind of STUPID thinking that has to be avoided by anyone given the reins as a GM to build a Baseball team. Signing a player with a lifetime (going into this season) ERA of 4.40 with a .500 record for 14 million a season.....because the money available for a signing "is burning a hole in his pocket is asinine. Thinking Jackson was a #3 starter, much less a #2, is similarly stupid. A lifetime .500 pitcher with a 4.40 ERA, who has been on 8 different teams.....no, that's stupid thinking.

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Hope you dont hold any hope of them signing Samardzija then because hes going to want that kind of money and more.

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See.

An MRI on Paul Maholm's left elbow came back negative.
Maholm will be skipped for one start before being re-evaluated. It's obviously good news, but with elbow issues this late in the season, he's no safe bet to make another start for the Braves. It's unlikely he would have been part of the team's postseason rotation. Sep 11 - 10:22 PM

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See now that is a stupid thought. One of your worst baseball thoughts in awhile. Good to have you back.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

HELL NO. He's like Jackson in that he's basically a .500 pitcher that is wildly inconsistent, throws too many pitches because he has trouble locating far too often. He's too old to still be termed a young pitcher and I would not give him anything but a 1 year arbitration deal at this point.

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flip him.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

If that was proposed a couple months ago, you would have said "WHO'S GOING TO PITCH?!?!"

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