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Post subject: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:43 pm

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Is his head bigger than Spanky's or does his son win that competition?

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:48 pm

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Nas wrote:

Is his head bigger than Spanky's or does his son win that competition?

R.I.P. Spany :cry:

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:59 pm

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What was Jason Kidd anyway? Was black? Was he white? Was he whatever they call Ivan?

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:00 pm

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Hawg Ass wrote:

Nas wrote:

Is his head bigger than Spanky's or does his son win that competition?

R.I.P. Spany :cry:

Damn SHAKE THAT! had him taken care of?

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Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:00 pm

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Gonzaga or Cal? I remember his tournament run was pretty incredible with a smaller unknown at the time team.

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:48 pm

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pittmike wrote:

Gonzaga or Cal? I remember his tournament run was pretty incredible with a smaller unknown at the time team.

Cal

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:54 pm

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the NBA just got more attractive.

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:09 pm

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Hatchetman wrote:

the NBA just got more attractive.

and less domestic abuse-y

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:11 pm

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Bagels wrote:

Hatchetman wrote:

the NBA just got more attractive.

and less domestic abuse-y

Could stand to be a little more Gary Busey IMHO

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:14 pm

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Colonel Angus wrote:

What was Jason Kidd anyway? Was black? Was he white? Was he whatever they call Ivan?

From his Wikipedia page: "His father Steve was African-American, and his mother Anne is Irish-American." I would venture to say probably almost all of the mixed race NBA players have African-American fathers and Caucasian mothers.

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:17 pm

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You should be banned for having that asswipe as your avatar MD. Thats just bad all around.

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:32 pm

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Mini Ditka wrote:

I would venture to say probably almost all of the mixed race NBA players have African-American fathers and Caucasian mothers.

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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:24 am

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I thought he looked like an owl.

A young good dolphin was at the Allstate Arena to watch a legendary NCAA tournament game between Kidd leading Cal and Hurley leading Duke. It was the game where Coach Ks favorite group of players ended their time with the team

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:25 am

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Is Kidd a Hall of Famer. The further you get away from his career and rely on statistics for evaluation, probably not.

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:35 am

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good dolphin wrote:

Is Kidd a Hall of Famer. The further you get away from his career and rely on statistics for evaluation, probably not.

He's 2nd all time in steals and assists, and probably the best or 2nd best PG of this generation. Why wouldn't he be a HOF'er?

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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:36 am

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Douchebag wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Is Kidd a Hall of Famer. The further you get away from his career and rely on statistics for evaluation, probably not.

He's 2nd all time in steals and assists, and probably the best or 2nd best PG of this generation. Why wouldn't he be a HOF'er?

plus , this is the Basketball HOF we're talking about.......

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:29 am

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Douchebag wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Is Kidd a Hall of Famer. The further you get away from his career and rely on statistics for evaluation, probably not.

He's 2nd all time in steals and assists, and probably the best or 2nd best PG of this generation. Why wouldn't he be a HOF'er?

His APG isn't eye popping and he didn't really have a generation. 19 years in the NBA covers close to three generations. I agree that he was a top point guard but I'm not sure statistically that he was.

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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:45 am

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I agree that he's a sure fire HOF'er, but I'd take GP over him, which I know is unpopular. KS is right to point out Kidd's troubles with shooting earlier in his career. People used to call him Ason Kidd. Payton was the more complete player, in my opinion. His post-Kemp years with Seattle were amazing. How can you rely on these guys and still average 23 and 8?

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Who is he passing to for those assists? He's the best offensive weapon on that team by far.

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 10:48 am

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Remember this: Russ Granik is in the Basketball hall of fame....

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:01 pm

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He was a triple double waiting to happen. I believe he is 2nd to Magic and no active player has a chance to catch him.

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:11 pm

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I think he's third behind Magic and Oscar.

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

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veganfan21 wrote:

I think he's third behind Magic and Oscar.

He's not better than Isiah Thomas

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

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Powerhouse233 wrote:

veganfan21 wrote:

I think he's third behind Magic and Oscar.

He's not better than Isiah Thomas

Sorry, I don't think I clarified the context. I meant third in career triple doubles. I do not know enough about Thomas to comment, but I would take GP over Kidd.

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

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veganfan21 wrote:

Powerhouse233 wrote:

veganfan21 wrote:

I think he's third behind Magic and Oscar.

He's not better than Isiah Thomas

Sorry, I don't think I clarified the context. I meant third in career triple doubles. I do not know enough about Thomas to comment, but I would take GP over Kidd.

I agree with taking GP over Kidd. Payton is one of the best two way guards ever.

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:29 pm

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Keeping Score wrote:

Just throwing this out there for no reason, but it always amazes me that the All-Time Leader in assists and steals - both by significant margins, never gets mentioned as the best point guard of all time.

Not to mention he's 40th all time in scoring, was an incredibly pesky and tenacious defender, and shot over 51% for his career.

Must've been the shorts.

Magic had a shorter career and has 5 rings. He'll have to settle for #2.

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:39 pm

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Nas wrote:

He was a triple double waiting to happen. I believe he is 2nd to Magic and no active player has a chance to catch him.

LeBron should average a triple double

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Post subject: Re: Jason Kidd retires

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:26 pm

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Jason Kidd is going to have his jersey retired by the Nets. I do think he is a first ballot HOFer, but a jersey retirement for the Nets is a little overboard IMO. He only played 6 seasons there, and never won a title. There needs to be some sort of standard set for jersey retirings, or statues being built, otherwise teams will eventually run out of numbers.

I'd say at least 10 seasons with the team
or
2+ titles with the team (if played less than 10 seasons).

Then you can retire the jersey. Otherwise, fuck off and go beat up your wife.

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Douchebag wrote:

I remember Kidd as a Net. I have no problem with it.

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Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 3:42 pm

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It is surely too soon to judge Kidd’s coaching acumen, but it is fair to wonder whether he was ready for this job, on this stage, with these weighty expectations.

A veteran scout, interviewed earlier in the day and speaking on the condition of anonymity, called Kidd’s bench comportment “terrible,” observing that the play-calling has fallen mostly to his top assistants, Lawrence Frank and John Welch.

“He doesn’t do anything,” said the scout, who has watched the Nets several times. “He doesn’t make calls. John Welch does all the offense. Lawrence does all the defense. … I don’t know what Kidd does. I don’t think you can grade him and say he’s bad. You can give him an incomplete.”

The same scout said he had counted only 15 plays run by the Nets in the games he has watched. Multiple observers have noted that the Nets offense lacks any discernible flow, as if the stars are all simply taking turns with the ball.

Last week, ESPN’s David Thorpe, who also works as a skills coach to a number of NBA players, called Kidd “the worst coach in the NBA.”

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Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:16 pm

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"he doesn't do anything"

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