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I don't think I could follow anyone's opinion in that other thread. I cannot vote as I truly do not know if I have a 100% belief in any answer to the born or not question. I can see points in gray areas that make me think both ways so to speak. I do not believe that pedophiles must be gay also though.

I wonder if some people that go through these therapies are confused and not truly gay or are otherwise uncomfortable due to family, religious or other moral ideas. Then they get therapy not to no longer be gay per se but to not act on their desires and/or remain celibate? Who knows?

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Wouldn't this (loaded) question imply there is something wrong with being a homosexual?

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I guess so, but Im being labeled arrogant for saying I wouldnt believe a person who told me they were no longer gay

I voted no. I think people will say anything to be "normal". We've all heard stories about married people getting "cured" only to find out that they lied. I am also one that believes everyone that claims to be gay isn't. I've seen women turn to women after many failed heterosexual relationships.

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Obviously, there is something wrong with it. If it were widespread enough it would mean the end of the human race. That doesn't mean that homosexuals should be treated as lesser human beings.

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I still struggle with this. I support gay rights and have openly gay friends but it isn't something I would want my kids to be. Of course I would still love them but it would be an adjustment. I used to feel strongly about this but age has dramatically changed this.

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Homosexuals can reproduce. That's like saying if video game playing were widespread enough it would mean the end of the human race.

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I don't know if I can answer this.

Therapy and the human brain and amazingly powerful things. Do I think someone who is predisposed to be gay could be 'taught' to prefer members of the opposite sex through therapy? I do.

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Virtually anything is treatable. I could be treated for watching too much sports, or for liking Diet Coke, or for wearing pants.

The bigger question is why do we demonize homosexuality? Why is it inherently wrong? There are a lot of people that do things that I don't want to do. That doesn't mean it is wrong. The answer to that is clearly not "God says so!".

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This is a good point. There can be arguments made that therapy is just behavioral modification as is brainwashing. No offence to shrinks. I think the larger discussion I run across in the world on this is not whether it can be done but rather should it. Part of the rights aspect to it.

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Sure, they're capable of reproduction. But what would be the point? Simply to carry on humanity? You want to compartmentalize sex and realtionships? Or are you suggesting we should use the abominations of science to continue the human race in a homosexual society?

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Is there any research that shows other animal species showing exclusive homosexual tendencies>

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Well, assuming both of you are straight, do you believe there is some therapy that could make you like cock?

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As a straight male, yes I do. It would need to be an extreme experiment with fiercely controlled parameters. Plenty of examples in history of men doing far worse things that prefer to blow a d when they are socialized/pressured to do so.

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Off the top of my head no but I am pretty sure the Russian gulag dudes from the cold war could be pretty convincing after years of "therapy". I get your point though but keeping it generic therapy/behavior mod can be pretty powerful.

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Are there people on this board that have experienced a change, or not, through therapy?

But thanks for highlighting an issue that folks have over this issue and many others I might add.

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Seems like it's going to be quite a thread

You have a way with words JORR?

But this is a good first question.

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I agree with this. I think it could be "treatable" but I don't know if it could be "cured." Just saying 'cured' alone makes it sound like a sickness. To some people (westboro baptist type nuts) it probably is a sickness but to the guy taking a penis up his pooper its probably not a sickness. Bottom line is that somebody would actually want to be "cured." Its just like smoking or drinking. Somebody has to really want to quit smoking to be able to actually do it.

Is it impossible though for a gay person to no longer be gay? I think a part of them always would be, ya know? Kinda like somebody that says, "Im no longer a Cubs fan. I'm going to root for the Sox now (or Cardinals, or Brewers, or whoever). But say in 15 years the Cubs are playing in the World Series, wouldn't there be something inherent in that person that would make them root for the Cubs? Maybe the way they were brought up or something. I dunno...its probably a bad analogy but its the only one I could come up with at the moment.

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This is a better question I think. It highlights the larger issue of:

Why will people flatly reject the claims of another person when there is factual evidence to support them?

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according to most that believe in Jung and Freudian psychoanalysts anything can be cured. I think it can be to a point. It all depends on your ego,can it be weak enough to be twisted to go an other way or is it strong enough to resist being changed. Why do a lot of normal straight people have a problem with gays,that is easy. They look like they are happy and having a good time in life. The typical stereotype is someone who is not tied down by family obligations,can have numerous and readily available sex. They have no true moral compass. I have no problem with the majority of homosexual people,I do have a problem with the in your face shit. The extroverted flamboyant rub my nose in it and I need to accept their lifestyle stuff.

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Humans already do this in a fairly unique way compared to other species. Humans are one of the few species that have sex without the specific purpose of reproduction. In fact, it has gone as far as humans now take steps to ensure that reproduction will not happen.

The point would be that people want families. Even homosexual people still have a desire to have children.

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Prison homosexuality is a choice IMO.

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And thats fine, BRick.

A homosexual couple cannot reproduce with eachother. At least not yet.

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There are many couples out there that cannot reproduce with eachother. Are those relationships wrong or in need of curing too?

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Brother worked in a prison. he used to think that before he went to work there.

Think ND might be on to something.

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I believe dolphins are the only other animal that has sex for pleasure so it would be hard to know.

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