Did I say or imply they were wrong? Or did I say or imply that a gay relationship needs "curing"?

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What was your point then? I mean, if you were just stating a fact, then it is fairly obvious.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The issue of the main question is that it it too basic for the complex nature of being gay in our modern society. When I was a young lad I do not remember noticing or knowing anyone asking the question of born gay vs. somehow becoming gay. Now in at least some part it is a bigger deal because there is a larger more public fight for acceptance and against discrimination. How better to make something more acceptable than to make it something you are born with like race.

As I said earlier, I can't get to either end of the spectrum 100% and it also isn't very important in my selfish scheme of things. One thing I do know is that I have known gay people who I could have said when they were very young oh yeah seen that coming. I also know people that have become gay later in life for whatever reasons. Who knows?

The curing thing may be more applicable to the experimenter or the confused person. Maybe there are different levels of gay, straight, bi for all I know?

One point of the argument that gets me thinking seriously though is if you are born or hard wired gay then how? Now that is interesting. Is it a gene? Something in the conception mix that is different? Chromosome? Why do I like size 2-4 dark haired chicks?

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Elections have consequences.

Can you train dolphin to not be a homosexual?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Put something in their blow hole?

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Given his recent posts on the Bears Bengals game, I would say no.

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Are there homosexual dolphins? They seem pretty happy. I thought someone in the past year posted on here maybe not about a species or two found to be engaging in gay or bi traits but I can't remember it.

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Elections have consequences.

And how do you suggest they do that? Do you really think that commercial reproduction is a good idea? Just from the limited amount of it we have now there are all kinds of problems.

I'm not sure what you're arguing. It's clear that homosexuality is abnormal. Sure, science can subvert nature to get all kinds of desired results. That doesn't mean it's a good idea.

The problem comes in when the normal use the status of a group of abnormal people as an excuse to marginalize them. A person born with six toes is abnormal too. We don't deny him any human rights.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I am in agreement with NSD.

I think you can be "trained" to behave a certain way.

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Do I really need to explain how a homosexual person can have a child?
You don't have to "subvert" nature though there are probably easy alternative ways to accomplish the goal.

I'm arguing that the ability to reproduce is not and should not be used as a criteria for judging what is normal or acceptable because it is so often violated even by heterosexual couples. Sex is more of a social activity than it is a reproductive activity.

Homosexuality is considered "abnormal" because we've decided it is "abnormal". Now, if the numbers are to be believed, it is definitely not the type of relationship with the highest percentage of participation but that doesn't make it abnormal.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Does this go in the Syria thread,the Russia Afraid thread or here? I'm confused.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Okay, you want to BRick it rather than have a real discussion.




No, it's considered abnormal because a species cannot exist without reproduction. And homosexuals cannot reproduce without engaging in sex with the opposite sex (or without assistance from scientists) which defies the categorization of homosexual. The fornication of millions of heterosexuals doesn't support your argument.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I'm so sick of Gay talk,it's everywhere. They can go fuck off. I like the old days when guys like Paul Lynde and Charles Nelson Reily were just "wacky" bachelors.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

The reproduction would be abnormal if you are using that criteria. The relationship is not unless you think that all relationships are defined by reproduction which is a very flawed way to view it.

If reproduction is what defines a relationship, then any heterosexual couple not planning on having children or without the ability to do so is also in an "abnormal" relationship. Anyone who adopts is in an "abnormal" relationship. Anyone who is not dating with the purpose of starting a family is in an "abnormal" relationship.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I laughed so loud at that picture. Talk about great timing with this thread and world events. Everyone looks so happy there.

Between this picture and Bingo That, it has been a fine day on the CSFMB.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

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Hawaii (fuck) You

There's a whole lot of room between demonizing it and declaring it normal.

We don't demonize deaf people, but I don't think we would call them normal.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Wait til Don Tiny sees this.

His respect for James E. Pasta will be through the roof.

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We don't call being deaf a sin or an abomination against God.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

God there are some funny ones out there:

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Hawaii (fuck) You

You're having an argument with someone else. I don't think reproduction defines a realtionship. I don't have any children and don't intend on having any. I'd suggest that makes me abnormal. Or at least it better, for the sake of the human race.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

You think there is something wrong with homosexuality because it can't reproduce.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

If everyone were homosexual, how would you suggest the species continue on? Through science or by having people ignore their base nature to fuck people they are unattracted to? I don't believe either way is a great societal model.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Also,something wrong in their choice of clothes.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

I contend there's a difference between abnormal and wrong. Abnormal just means not like others.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

Agreed. I believe I started in this thread by saying, "of course it's wrong", which was perhaps a poor choice of words. "Wrong" suggests the people in question are violating some moral imperative. I don't believe that for a minute.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Not now, Rick.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

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I don't remember half the time if I'm hiding or I'm lost

People have the desire to have children. Many people now plan it out and take steps to not have children. They still would. Right now, that is how homosexual couples do it. They find a way. In that scenario, I think the species could find a way to survive.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Putin isn't even ripped for a guy who loves taking his shirt off in public.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.