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Is Homosexuality curable or treatable through therapy?
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It is absurd to ever play the religious victim card unless you are atheist. Religious views have dominated mankind since we started harvesting crops. The religious speak with such certainty that it is insulting. If you are truly agnostic, then grow a pair and stop defending institutions which stifle free speech.


Have another drink buddy. I didn't defend anyone in particular nor a religious belief. My pair is just fine. Whether atheist or not a switch in form to feel good calling someone else's god an asshole is not for me thanks.


But it's okay to condemn others to hell based on religious beliefs, right?



Good to see RPB doesn't have a monopoly on false premises and strawmen.

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Let me try again slowly. I didn't take anyone here's side nor do I defend any other moronic statement made by believers. In fact either here or the other thread I mentioned churches with rainbow flags. I simply commented that I have seen a shift in communication. Where you have to be pc in this case about gays but not religious beliefs. I.e substitute calling someone's god an asshole.



Good to see RPB doesn't have a monopoly on false premises and strawmen.


And what does that mean?

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Let me try again slowly. I didn't take anyone here's side nor do I defend any other moronic statement made by believers. In fact either here or the other thread I mentioned churches with rainbow flags. I simply commented that I have seen a shift in communication. Where you have to be pc in this case about gays but not religious beliefs. I.e substitute calling someone's god an asshole.



Good to see RPB doesn't have a monopoly on false premises and strawmen.


And what does that mean?


Edited for accuracy pittmike. My apologies.

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Are you hitting on me?

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McKeon's.

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McInerney's Then Kellys'

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McKeon's.

Then everyone else goes to Shinnicks.


McInerney's Then Kellys'


Oh yeah?!!

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leashyourkids wrote:
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It is absurd to ever play the religious victim card unless you are atheist. Religious views have dominated mankind since we started harvesting crops. The religious speak with such certainty that it is insulting. If you are truly agnostic, then grow a pair and stop defending institutions which stifle free speech.


Have another drink buddy. I didn't defend anyone in particular nor a religious belief. My pair is just fine. Whether atheist or not a switch in form to feel good calling someone else's god an asshole is not for me thanks.


But it's okay to condemn others to hell based on religious beliefs, right?



Good to see RPB doesn't have a monopoly on false premises and strawmen.

Says the man who called me a liar for my belief about a subject that scholars are still trying to figure out today


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McKeon's.

Then everyone else goes to Shinnicks.


I walked by both of them from my free neighborhood street parking yesterday...also passed by The Mayor's house.

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Jesus isnt a homosexual. God isnt a homosexual. You can't get to heaven unless you've cured your gayness.


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Jesus isnt a homosexual. God isnt a homosexual. You can't get to heaven unless you've cured your gayness.

Yeah, but God is into incest. He impregnated his own mother w/ himself.


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Seacrest wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
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leashyourkids wrote:
It is absurd to ever play the religious victim card unless you are atheist. Religious views have dominated mankind since we started harvesting crops. The religious speak with such certainty that it is insulting. If you are truly agnostic, then grow a pair and stop defending institutions which stifle free speech.


Have another drink buddy. I didn't defend anyone in particular nor a religious belief. My pair is just fine. Whether atheist or not a switch in form to feel good calling someone else's god an asshole is not for me thanks.


But it's okay to condemn others to hell based on religious beliefs, right?



Good to see RPB doesn't have a monopoly on false premises and strawmen.

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Says the man who called me a liar for my belief about a subject that scholars are still trying to figure out today


There are thousands of men and women that have gone through psychological counseling and are no longer homosexual in lifestyle, or tendency. There are reams of evidence about this.

So let's wrap this up and send the discussion down the road until next time.

You have stated that you would deny someone else's personal truth when it was presented to you directly.

What you call science in the highlighted paragraph above is contradicted already by the science of psychology. And you deny that too.

And you started a thread out of your own personal uneasiness with regards to your unwillingness to accept already established fact.

Your argument is obviously not with me.

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As I understand it, it is not an established fact and their are experts and doctors who would agree with me

If you are saying that it's a proven scientific fact that gayness can be cured, then Ill have to say, I did not know that.

But it would be nice if you would cite some evidence rather than you saying over and over "there is a lot of evidence"


This was published 12 years ago. Has there been new studies or proof?

Changing Sexual Orientation: A Consumer's Report[edit source | editbeta]
Ariel Shidlo and Michael Schroeder found in "Changing Sexual Orientation: A Consumer's Report", a peer-reviewed study of 202 respondents[101] published in 2002, that 88% of participants failed to achieve a sustained change in their sexual behavior and 3% reported changing their orientation to heterosexual. The remainder reported either losing all sexual drive or attempting to remain celibate, with no change in attraction. Some of the participants who failed felt a sense of shame and had gone through conversion therapy programs for many years. Others who failed believed that therapy was worthwhile and valuable. Shidlo and Schroeder also reported that many respondents were harmed by the attempt to change, causing; depression, suicidal ideation and attempts, hypervigilance of gender-deviant mannerisms,social isolation, fear of being a child abuser and poor self-esteem. Of the 8 respondents (out of a sample of 202) who reported a change in sexual orientation, 7 worked as ex-gay counselors or group leaders.[102] NARTH states that the Shidlo study has often been used by gay activists as "proof" that conversion therapy is on average harmful, but they advertised for study participants with an ad that said, "Help Us Document the Harm".[65] The Shidlo-Schroeder recruitment poster is available at NARTH online,[103] stating that the study's authors did not seek to measure the average outcome of conversion therapy, although their study has often been used by activists as if it had, in fact, sought a representative sample; the lack of a representative sample therefore means that the 80% failure rate, cited above in this same paragraph, should be taken with caution. The study does show however that qualitatively conversion therapy can cause significant harm.



Do you disagree with that assessment?


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rogers park bryan wrote:
As I understand it, it is not an established fact and their are experts and doctors who would agree with me

If you are saying that it's a proven scientific fact that gayness can be cured, then Ill have to say, I did not know that.

But it would be nice if you would cite some evidence rather than you saying over and over "there is a lot of evidence"


This was published 12 years ago. Has there been new studies or proof?

Changing Sexual Orientation: A Consumer's Report[edit source | editbeta]
Ariel Shidlo and Michael Schroeder found in "Changing Sexual Orientation: A Consumer's Report", a peer-reviewed study of 202 respondents[101] published in 2002, that 88% of participants failed to achieve a sustained change in their sexual behavior and 3% reported changing their orientation to heterosexual. The remainder reported either losing all sexual drive or attempting to remain celibate, with no change in attraction. Some of the participants who failed felt a sense of shame and had gone through conversion therapy programs for many years. Others who failed believed that therapy was worthwhile and valuable. Shidlo and Schroeder also reported that many respondents were harmed by the attempt to change, causing; depression, suicidal ideation and attempts, hypervigilance of gender-deviant mannerisms,social isolation, fear of being a child abuser and poor self-esteem. Of the 8 respondents (out of a sample of 202) who reported a change in sexual orientation, 7 worked as ex-gay counselors or group leaders.[102] NARTH states that the Shidlo study has often been used by gay activists as "proof" that conversion therapy is on average harmful, but they advertised for study participants with an ad that said, "Help Us Document the Harm".[65] The Shidlo-Schroeder recruitment poster is available at NARTH online,[103] stating that the study's authors did not seek to measure the average outcome of conversion therapy, although their study has often been used by activists as if it had, in fact, sought a representative sample; the lack of a representative sample therefore means that the 80% failure rate, cited above in this same paragraph, should be taken with caution. The study does show however that qualitatively conversion therapy can cause significant harm.



Do you disagree with that assessment?


A couple of things.

Your posted study has some scientific issues inherent within it.

With that being said, it still puts forth that therapy did cure some of the participants.

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Why the hell anyone gives a rats ass what happens in someone else's bedroom is far beyond me.

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Why the hell anyone gives a rats ass what happens in someone else's bedroom is far beyond me.

Your statement is the beginning and the end of my interest in the topic. Perfectly stated.

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
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Why the hell anyone gives a rats ass what happens in someone else's bedroom is far beyond me.

Your statement is the beginning and the end of my interest in the topic. Perfectly stated.


Are you sure?

Because every ill in our society that you both have a problem with started in someone's bedroom.

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Why the hell anyone gives a rats ass what happens in someone else's bedroom is far beyond me.

Your statement is the beginning and the end of my interest in the topic. Perfectly stated.


Are you sure?

Because every ill in our society that you both have a problem with started in someone's bedroom.

I think every ill started with God. Sounds like he is the douchebag for causing all this gayness.

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Seacrest wrote:
The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
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Why the hell anyone gives a rats ass what happens in someone else's bedroom is far beyond me.

Your statement is the beginning and the end of my interest in the topic. Perfectly stated.


Are you sure?

Because every ill in our society that you both have a problem with started in someone's bedroom.

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I think every ill started with God. Sounds like he is the douchebag for causing all this gayness.


You and I have found some common ground.

I'd be lying if I said that I saw that coming.

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I'd be lying if I said that I saw that coming.

Now this is the kind of euphemism a thread about treatable GAY needs.

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
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Why the hell anyone gives a rats ass what happens in someone else's bedroom is far beyond me.

Your statement is the beginning and the end of my interest in the topic. Perfectly stated.

Again...I'm not against your side of the topic, but to play devil's advocate:

Gays and lesbians don't confine 100% of their interactions to the bedroom, and many people who are against same-sex relationships are against more than just the sex portion. They do not want themselves or their families subjected to any part of it...as it leads to them having to explain things they feel as unnatural, and simply wrong.

And yes, that is on them. But it is their viewpoint...


I know you're playing devil's advocate, so this isn't directed at you, but I don't find that sort of reasoning to be compelling at all. If that's an issue for some, then their problem is not homosexuality, but the exercise of free will. In any open society you're going to be exposed to all sorts of things you may find objectionable or not, so it's difficult to see why same-sex relationships in particular would be singled out to the extent that you'd go out of your way to condemn them in ways that you wouldn't do for all other activities and norms you happen to not like as well.

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