Seems like Salinger'ss name has been in the news a little bit lately ( he not only supported child rape, seems he dabbled in it ). Having read Catcher years back, I wasnt impressed with it thenand having re read it recently, I still dont see what the fuss is about. Am I missing something ? had to have been a certain age when it first came out to appreciate it? overrated schlock ? just dont "get it" ( like Leery's women or Bob Dylans music?)

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Don't be such a phony.

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That you don't "get" Dylan would seem to be the buried lede of this thread.

Anyway, I feel like I've articulated my stance on Catcher here before, which is that as great as it is, it may start becoming dated to new generations of readers as the time period it's in fades further and further into the horizon. Not that I'm suggesting the crimes they've perpetrated on Judy Blume books, where they rewrite them to include iPods and skyping or whatever, but it could just be that it's not going to be a holy grail of disaffected white male adolescence like it used to be. The Perks of Being a Wallflower seems to be creeping into this role, for better or worse.

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Stay gold ponyboy

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Has this actually been done? WTF...

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I was already pissed when they took out the Yub Nub song.

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Truth

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Nothing. It's a book, and all books suck.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

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There are certain threads at times where I am no idea what is going on, this would be one of those.

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#ExtendLafleur
10 More Wins

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Dylan was a genius. You're living in a world of wrong.

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Well I mean One Headlight was a pretty good song but what has he really done since?

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We touched on this in a thread last year, thats what I dont get. Im mystified as to why he's considered a genius.

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

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Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

+ infinity

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Good people drink good beer - Hunter S. Thompson

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

I read Salinger's Nine Short Stories in June. The Glass family is far more interesting than Holden Caulfield.

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I liked much of Dylan's stuff up to and including "Jokerman" -- but haven't had much interest since.

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"... go out there and hitch up your trousers, and say: 'Hey baby here I am now. Let me see you run through me now. Let me see you show some disrespect for me while I'm nose on your nose."
- Lou Holtz

We read this instead of Catcher in the Rye in High School.

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Everyone has an opinion on this and it would be easy to try to copy and paste some wordy answer that a
music exec, biographer or critic has spewed out over the years. I think the fact that everyone has a slightly
different opinion about the guy shows just how dynamic he really has been over the past 50 years he has been
recording music.

Over the years he has slipped between folk, rock, christian, and multiple forms of country music, making a signifcant
mark in each genre. Sure the guys voice is pretty awful now and likely has been for a number of years, save
some of his studio work. His voice has never been what all the people came for though. The lyrics has always been
what makes Dylan's music great. He did more for songwriting than any other 20th century artist. His use of abstract
imagery was something totally off the wall back in the day. It didn't matter if the lyrics didn't make sense on the
surface, he asked the listener to think for themselves and decipher what he was trying to say.

He has only won 10 Grammys over the years, so he is far from a prolific seller of albums and Mr. Popular.
I think it would be hard to imagine another artist in our lifetime also picking up an Academy Award, Peoples
Choice award, Pulitzer Prize and Presidential Medal of Freedom though. Genius is a pretty heady term to toss
around but he should definitely be included when discussing the Mount Rushmore of songwriting. During his
early days he gave away more big hits to other artists than most bands would ever have in a career.

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Flew too close to the sun on wings of pastrami

badrogue, for the last time, stop reliving your sophomore year in high school! Mr. Hutchison isn't pop quizing you anymore! And put down that copy of "The Old Man and the Sea" and "Ivanhoe" Cliff's Notes. Take her down a notch.

Next up, The Pigman and then The Chocolate War

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Proud member of the white guy grievance committee

It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Bob Dylan was a god and hero to his audience, then he decided he wanted to try something new, his fans revolted, he told them to go get proper fucked.

He was above average as a songwriter. As a musician I shit better than most of his efforts. I can get a stroke victim to play better harmonica than he does.

He's not in the absolute rarefied air of the greats, but he's like in the top 5 right after that.

He's the flipside of the same coin the Neil Young is on.

Most people either like one or both of these fellas when they're young then move on, or they wait until about age 30 and learn to enjoy them properly for what they are kinda like when you finally one day realize that dipping the corner of your piece of toast in runny eggs is really just fucking terrific and not something gross "old" people like to do.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

No to Dylan


Yes to Egg Dipping

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

all right, all right, young man. you get out your copy of "To Kill a Mockingbird" and you read the first 50 pages and have a 500 word essay on it by Monday. Then, you're going to read "A Good Man is Hard To Find" by Flannery O'Connor AND "The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson and we'll have a quiz for that on Friday.

Now go write "This is a people shooting hat. I shoot people in this hat." 50 times on the dry eraseboard. POST HASTE!

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George