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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:47 pm 
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badrogue, for the last time, stop reliving your sophomore year in high school! Mr. Hutchison isn't pop quizing you anymore! And put down that copy of "The Old Man and the Sea" and "Ivanhoe" Cliff's Notes. Take her down a notch.


That brings back memories. In my freshman year, the only time I resorted to Cliff Notes the old crone of a teacher spotted evidence in one of my papers right away. A Hemingway devotee too.

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No to Dylan


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No to both.

Dylan is the sunny side up eggs of the music world. Bad to most but has loyal followers.

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Next up, The Pigman and then The Chocolate War


all right, all right, young man. you get out your copy of "To Kill a Mockingbird" and you read the first 50 pages and have a 500 word essay on it by Monday. Then, you're going to read "A Good Man is Hard To Find" by Flannery O'Connor AND "The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson and we'll have a quiz for that on Friday.

Now go write "This is a people shooting hat. I shoot people in this hat." 50 times on the dry eraseboard. POST HASTE!
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I am not sure why Dylan seems to have chosen to sing inaudibly in later years on purpose? Funny thing to me is Springsteen in the beginning said he wanted to write like Dylan. He has passed him by far in every way. He too though seems to want to sing through his nose in later years.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:33 am 
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Bob Dylan is overrated by some, but he remains pretty revered by the rock historians and he even put out some good Christian rock. He's way better than J.D. Salinger or Catcher in the Rye. J.D. Salinger was mostly a one-hit wonder who became a recluse and his only contact with the outside world was making sure his book could not be adapted into a movie.

Catcher in the Rye is a disturbing book because of how mentally ill people relate with the character who is telling his story from the mental institution at the end of the book. John Lennon's killer acted out several of the scenes in the book in New York before shooting Lennon. I believe the guy who shot Ronald Reagan was also obsessed with the book. No doubt there are other mentally ill individuals who relate to the main character in the book.

The essence of the book is the story of the mental breakdown of a narcissistic young male protagonist who we later find is mentally ill, but really shouldn't be that much of a surprise considering how out of touch with reality he is. Schools are misguided to assign books like Catcher in the Rye and A Clockwork Orange to their students. If anything these books can have a negative influence on young minds.

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Dylan: Blood on the Tracks is a top 5 album for me. Maybe it was the time in my life when I got it but it totally fit my mindset at the time.
Catcher in the Rye: meh. Never cared for it. Didn't have to read it in school so I read it on my own in grad school and though it was pretty awful. Then I read Catch 22 (I was going through a period of reading great 20th century literature to become cultured or something) and that book became an all time favorite. So whenever I think of Catcher in the Rye, I think, Catch-22 was better.

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I never really "got" Catcher in the Rye. Read it when I was like 16. People have explained it to me, and I've read it a few times since. I get the point, but it doesn't really resonate with me. I really think that it takes a person with a similar personality to Holden Caufield to appreciate the book. There were many things he experienced in which I could not relate on any level.

There is one book that changed my perspective on life that I read when I was in my teens, and that was "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn. I don't know if it would have a similar effect if reading as an adult. I find that it still shapes my perspective on most issues.

Have to agree and disagree on Dylan. Dylan was a great artist, and his words were accurate and eye-opening for some. However, I find the work of most musical artists to be an easily digestible version of concepts that scholars and historians were saying ten years earlier. Doesn't make it any less significant; it just doesn't trip my trigger. Relative to other musical artists, Dylan was great. And I love the music.

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I've never read this book, but I am of the firm belief that Dylan pretty much sucks.

Dylan was a genius. You're living in a world of wrong.

We touched on this in a thread last year, thats what I dont get. Im mystified as to why he's considered a genius.

Because he's a brilliant lyricist and poet and he was anti establishment before it was cool


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Hank Scorpio wrote:
jimmypasta wrote:
No to Dylan


Yes to Egg Dipping

No to both.

Dylan is the sunny side up eggs of the music world. Bad to most but has loyal followers.

Uh...no

Most people like Dylan


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Growing up with classic rock/radio, I was only exposed to "Everybody Must Get Stoned" and "Like a Rolling Stone" and came to despise those songs and pretty much wrote him off. The Band were the same way for me with Up on Cripple Creek. Heard the song/saw the video for "Subterranean Homesick Blues" and liked that right away. Heard a country-ish song on kexp.org not too long ago (name escapes me) that I absolutely loved, so I can get past the aversion to his voice from the first two songs. Probably investigate his catalog at some point down the road

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Bob Dylan is overrated by some, but he remains pretty revered by the rock historians and he even put out some good Christian rock. He's way better than J.D. Salinger or Catcher in the Rye. J.D. Salinger was mostly a one-hit wonder who became a recluse and his only contact with the outside world was making sure his book could not be adapted into a movie.

Catcher in the Rye is a disturbing book because of how mentally ill people relate with the character who is telling his story from the mental institution at the end of the book. John Lennon's killer acted out several of the scenes in the book in New York before shooting Lennon. I believe the guy who shot Ronald Reagan was also obsessed with the book. No doubt there are other mentally ill individuals who relate to the main character in the book.

The essence of the book is the story of the mental breakdown of a narcissistic young male protagonist who we later find is mentally ill, but really shouldn't be that much of a surprise considering how out of touch with reality he is. Schools are misguided to assign books like Catcher in the Rye and A Clockwork Orange to their students. If anything these books can have a negative influence on young minds.

Do you believe in banning and/or burning books, Mini Ditka?

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Bob Dylan is overrated by some, but he remains pretty revered by the rock historians and he even put out some good Christian rock. He's way better than J.D. Salinger or Catcher in the Rye. J.D. Salinger was mostly a one-hit wonder who became a recluse and his only contact with the outside world was making sure his book could not be adapted into a movie.

Catcher in the Rye is a disturbing book because of how mentally ill people relate with the character who is telling his story from the mental institution at the end of the book. John Lennon's killer acted out several of the scenes in the book in New York before shooting Lennon. I believe the guy who shot Ronald Reagan was also obsessed with the book. No doubt there are other mentally ill individuals who relate to the main character in the book.

The essence of the book is the story of the mental breakdown of a narcissistic young male protagonist who we later find is mentally ill, but really shouldn't be that much of a surprise considering how out of touch with reality he is. Schools are misguided to assign books like Catcher in the Rye and A Clockwork Orange to their students. If anything these books can have a negative influence on young minds.


yeah, unlike the bible, which no one has ever used for malicious intent or to push agendas.


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I like that a defense of Bob Dylan is based on Saved. No one has ever done that.

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Bob Dylan was a god and hero to his audience, then he decided he wanted to try something new, his fans revolted, he told them to go get proper fucked.

He was above average as a songwriter. As a musician I shit better than most of his efforts. I can get a stroke victim to play better harmonica than he does.

He's not in the absolute rarefied air of the greats, but he's like in the top 5 right after that.

He's the flipside of the same coin the Neil Young is on.

Most people either like one or both of these fellas when they're young then move on, or they wait until about age 30 and learn to enjoy them properly for what they are kinda like when you finally one day realize that dipping the corner of your piece of toast in runny eggs is really just fucking terrific and not something gross "old" people like to do.


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IDK I can listen to harvest for hours. The only Dylan song I can say I really like is Jokerman. Can't understand him on that either.

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No to Dylan


Yes to Egg Dipping

No to both.

Dylan is the sunny side up eggs of the music world. Bad to most but has loyal followers.

Uh...no

Most people like Dylan

That's a myth. Like the loch Ness monster.

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I like that a defense of Bob Dylan is based on Saved. No one has ever done that.


Here's a guest harmonica appearance by Dylan: http://youtu.be/G1WRTr9txu8?t=2m50s

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I more closely identify with Pitcher in the Rye.

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I more closely identify with Pitcher in the Rye.


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"Just Before the War with the Eskimos" is quite a nice little story, as is "Down at the Dinghy."

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Bob Dylan is overrated by some, but he remains pretty revered by the rock historians and he even put out some good Christian rock. He's way better than J.D. Salinger or Catcher in the Rye. J.D. Salinger was mostly a one-hit wonder who became a recluse and his only contact with the outside world was making sure his book could not be adapted into a movie.

Catcher in the Rye is a disturbing book because of how mentally ill people relate with the character who is telling his story from the mental institution at the end of the book. John Lennon's killer acted out several of the scenes in the book in New York before shooting Lennon. I believe the guy who shot Ronald Reagan was also obsessed with the book. No doubt there are other mentally ill individuals who relate to the main character in the book.

The essence of the book is the story of the mental breakdown of a narcissistic young male protagonist who we later find is mentally ill, but really shouldn't be that much of a surprise considering how out of touch with reality he is. Schools are misguided to assign books like Catcher in the Rye and A Clockwork Orange to their students. If anything these books can have a negative influence on young minds.

Do you believe in banning and/or burning books, Mini Ditka?


I would be okay burning occult books as those were burned in the Bible by people who converted to Christianity. But I think burning books like Catcher in the Rye only serves to give the book more attention. We live in a digital age, so there is no way to destroy the work of Catcher in the Rye even if that was a goal. Honestly in many cases like that it's best to shine the light rather than curse the darkness.

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