rogers park bryan wrote:
As I understand it, it is not an established fact and their are experts and doctors who would agree with me
If you are saying that it's a proven scientific fact that gayness can be cured, then Ill have to say, I did not know that.
But it would be nice if you would cite some evidence rather than you saying over and over "there is a lot of evidence"
This was published 12 years ago. Has there been new studies or proof?
Changing Sexual Orientation: A Consumer's Report[edit source | editbeta]
Ariel Shidlo and Michael Schroeder found in "Changing Sexual Orientation: A Consumer's Report", a peer-reviewed study of 202 respondents[101] published in 2002, that 88% of participants failed to achieve a sustained change in their sexual behavior and 3% reported changing their orientation to heterosexual. The remainder reported either losing all sexual drive or attempting to remain celibate, with no change in attraction. Some of the participants who failed felt a sense of shame and had gone through conversion therapy programs for many years. Others who failed believed that therapy was worthwhile and valuable. Shidlo and Schroeder also reported that many respondents were harmed by the attempt to change, causing; depression, suicidal ideation and attempts, hypervigilance of gender-deviant mannerisms,social isolation, fear of being a child abuser and poor self-esteem. Of the 8 respondents (out of a sample of 202) who reported a change in sexual orientation, 7 worked as ex-gay counselors or group leaders.[102] NARTH states that the Shidlo study has often been used by gay activists as "proof" that conversion therapy is on average harmful, but they advertised for study participants with an ad that said, "Help Us Document the Harm".[65] The Shidlo-Schroeder recruitment poster is available at NARTH online,[103] stating that the study's authors did not seek to measure the average outcome of conversion therapy, although their study has often been used by activists as if it had, in fact, sought a representative sample; the lack of a representative sample therefore means that the 80% failure rate, cited above in this same paragraph, should be taken with caution. The study does show however that qualitatively conversion therapy can cause significant harm.
Do you disagree with that assessment?
A couple of things.
Your posted study has some scientific issues inherent within it.
With that being said, it still puts forth that therapy did cure some of the participants.
Well then I was wrong to completely dismiss it but, and I hate to say this, it was ignorance on my part not lying. Important distinction
I would say that I would still be skeptical if someone told me they were no longer gay. I can't pretend there aren't a lot of people who suppress gay feelings because of the stigma and tougher road.
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