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What minority is doing that?

How many you want me to list?

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What I am trying to say is that a minority should not hold the majority hostage and do what they wish.


So what you're saying is that only the majority have freedom. The minority has to abide by what the majority want.

Hope you brushed up on your Spanish.

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What I am trying to say is that a minority should not hold the majority hostage and do what they wish.

If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.

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Unless I'm missing something, gays aren't putting up statues of dick sucking on public squares. Christians certainly are putting up mangers on public lands. See the difference?


Yes you are exactly right. But you unless I missed it are an atheist so why does it bother some of those to let a large amount of people have that manger? Idk it seems weird to me the whole logic. I give a shit if the town square has a manger or menorah or whatever. But some have to file suit over that. Yet some are against gay things and the city granting a gay parade permit is fine?

The real issue is that government being involved in social issues is a huge pain in the ass.


I think the basic issue here is equal access to rights and privileges. This is separate from what I think is the kind of cultural discourse you're pointing out when you mention things like insults and whatnot vis a vis LGBT and anti-LGBT groups. The sort of back and forth between people on the issue of same-sex rights is fine if it happens in the public square, although you'd wish it wasn't so acrimonious. That being said, it's an entirely different thing when pro- or anti-x discourses seep their way into lawmaking circles, from which it should be structurally insulated. Anti-religion or anti-LGBT sentiment, insofar as they occur in the greater public square (popular debates, culture, art, universities, etc.) is just a characterization of our national attitudes, but that should have no bearing on how issues related to those sentiments are engaged in lawmaking circles, where the principle standard against which proposed laws are judged is the constitution.

I think notable concessions to the LGBT community (such as the example of a parade in your post) are not indicative of "special status" or anything or the sort [and I know you didn't say that's the case], it's more a belated realization that people who identify as LGBT are as entitled to the same rights and privileges that most other citizens enjoy simply for being law-abiding citizens.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
What I am trying to say is that a minority should not hold the majority hostage and do what they wish.


So what you're saying is that only the majority have freedom. The minority has to abide by what the majority want.

Hope you brushed up on your Spanish.

Or Mandarin.


Yup,if it happens then I will have to adapt and deal with it.
All have freedom but society is made up of people who live life according to accepted mores and rules.
If we did not it would be anarchy. Why are some minoritys' okay and some are not? Why do we have laws or rules about how we act and treat each other?How did those come about?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:02 pm 
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What I am trying to say is that a minority should not hold the majority hostage and do what they wish.

Which goes against everything you stand for politically. God I hope you're just trolling or you REALLY don't get how fucked up your world view is.


Explain that to me seriously

You have made it quite clear that you could really give a flying fuck what others think if it doesn't agree with you, and as long as it isn't "your guys" that get elected, could really give a damn about duly elected officials of the government. You want things to be your way, and really don't care about anybody else's opinion.


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You are right Vegan. Have a parade have this or have that I don't care if the public square is a giant flea market looking thing at Xmas lol. I like to point out the double standards is all. As I do not care what a <whatever> does why should an atheist care if a baby jesus or santa claus is next to the picaso?

People are too strung up on shit. Like marriage for example I have said in the past make it the government license it is between whatever. Then go have your religious or whatever ceremony somewhere else who cares. I want to have three wives lol. Wait no I don't.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:08 pm 
chaspoppcap wrote:
Terry's Peeps wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
What I am trying to say is that a minority should not hold the majority hostage and do what they wish.


So what you're saying is that only the majority have freedom. The minority has to abide by what the majority want.

Hope you brushed up on your Spanish.

Or Mandarin.


Yup,if it happens then I will have to adapt and deal with it. Which you have shown us so well with the election of Obama
All have freedom but society is made up of people who live life according to accepted mores and rules.As long as they are the rules that you want. If people want to be treated equally, fuck them right Chas?
If we did not it would be anarchy.Everybody having the same rights as individuals guaranteed in the Constitution would be Anarchy? Why are some minoritys' okay and some are not? Where has anybody except you said that? You're the one who thinks only certain groups are ok. (BTW: The little red line that appears under words. It means go back and fix the spelling there skippy)Why do we have laws or rules about how we act and treat each other? What the hell are you talking about? How did those come about?Probably a set of duly elected officials that you said in this VERY POST that you would adapt and deal with things.


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Baby McNown wrote:
chaspoppcap wrote:
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chaspoppcap wrote:
What I am trying to say is that a minority should not hold the majority hostage and do what they wish.

Which goes against everything you stand for politically. God I hope you're just trolling or you REALLY don't get how fucked up your world view is.


Explain that to me seriously

You have made it quite clear that you could really give a flying fuck what others think if it doesn't agree with you, and as long as it isn't "your guys" that get elected, could really give a damn about duly elected officials of the government. You want things to be your way, and really don't care about anybody else's opinion.


Um ,no. If you notice I very rarely talk in derogatory terms about the elected officials that I do not like unlike you. Do I want the people I back to get elected, hell yes. Really I do not care for others opinion? Then why do I come on here and talk and hell even admit when I am wrong about something. I also regularly thank people for making me see things from their way. If I did not care about what others think or say I would act more like you and shout and curse those who disagree with me.

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You are one twisted person.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:16 pm 
Is this just Chas trying to lay a good foundation in people's minds for his next use of the victim card? WYC. Thursday afternoons. 5:00


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You are one twisted person.

Again. It's called spelling.

And calling one out for their posts that they are now trying to disavow themselves of is twisted. Jesus man. Get a grip on reality.


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Okay McNown answer me this
Why is a NAACP?BLack Panther rally okay and a KKK one not?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:21 pm 
Because one is "we are being treated differently and as second class citizens because we are black" The other is "kill all the blacks"

And for the record (if you read you would know this) I am not a supporter of affirmative action,


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Because one is "we are being treated differently and as second class citizens because we are black" The other is "kill all the blacks"

And for the record (if you read you would know this) I am not a supporter of affirmative action,


You sure about that now.

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Because one is "we are being treated differently and as second class citizens because we are black" The other is "kill all the blacks"

And for the record (if you read you would know this) I am not a supporter of affirmative action,



You omitted the one third one that intimidates whites from voting in Philly.

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chaspoppcap wrote:
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chaspoppcap wrote:
What I am trying to say is that a minority should not hold the majority hostage and do what they wish.


So what you're saying is that only the majority have freedom. The minority has to abide by what the majority want.

Hope you brushed up on your Spanish.

Or Mandarin.


Yup,if it happens then I will have to adapt and deal with it.
All have freedom but society is made up of people who live life according to accepted mores and rules.
If we did not it would be anarchy. Why are some minoritys' okay and some are not? Why do we have laws or rules about how we act and treat each other?How did those come about?


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Peeps,bad analogy. In California the people spoke and they voted no on gay marriage. Then the minority
sued and a judge overturned the voice of the people. We condemn other countries for stuff like that.
The same thing happened in Iowa,guess what all of the judges where voted out of office. Now it is prob going to be voted illegal again. The problem is most Americans have no will or spirit to fight for what they believe in,this is why we are having our freedoms taken away,our country is falling apart because we are so enamored of the bread and circuses.

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Peeps,bad analogy. In California the people spoke and they voted no on gay marriage. Then the minority
sued and a judge overturned the voice of the people. We condemn other countries for stuff like that.
The same thing happened in Iowa,guess what all of the judges where voted out of office. Now it is prob going to be voted illegal again. The problem is most Americans have no will or spirit to fight for what they believe in,this is why we are having our freedoms taken away,our country is falling apart because we are so enamored of the bread and circuses.



Full circle Burt Wolfe says this and is gay as the day is long. Allegedly. :lol:

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chas, don't tell me what's a bad analogy after your forced fish analogy.

You said majority rules.

55% of Americans support gay marriage.

That's a majority.

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chas, don't tell me what's a bad analogy after your forced fish analogy.

You said majority rules.

55% of Americans support gay marriage.

That's a majority.


Then put it to a vote as was done in California. Right now I think out of the 5 state vote there where 3 wins and 2 losses. Put it to a nationwide vote or as it should be done State by State vote. It should not be done by fiat by the legislature.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:50 pm 
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chas, don't tell me what's a bad analogy after your forced fish analogy.

You said majority rules.

55% of Americans support gay marriage.

That's a majority.

And 90% of Americans want background checks for guns.
And 51.1 % of Americans voted for Obama, but you want him out of office yesterday.
Over a million more people voted for Democratic congressional candidates, yet a group that the MINORITY cast votes for controls the House. You seem to have no issue with that.

Keep up the hypocrisy there dipshit.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 5:51 pm 
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chas, don't tell me what's a bad analogy after your forced fish analogy.

You said majority rules.

55% of Americans support gay marriage.

That's a majority.


Then put it to a vote as was done in California. Right now I think out of the 5 state vote there where 3 wins and 2 losses. Put it to a nationwide vote or as it should be done State by State vote. It should not be done by fiat by the legislature.

I'm not sure why we're even bothering. Poor Chas is gonna pick every crevasse of any topic he can to show how right he is. Even though he's wrong.

Read the equal protection clause Chas. Then shut up about gay marriage.


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chaspoppcap wrote:
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chas, don't tell me what's a bad analogy after your forced fish analogy.

You said majority rules.

55% of Americans support gay marriage.

That's a majority.


Then put it to a vote as was done in California. Right now I think out of the 5 state vote there where 3 wins and 2 losses. Put it to a nationwide vote or as it should be done State by State vote. It should not be done by fiat by the legislature.


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chas, don't tell me what's a bad analogy after your forced fish analogy.

You said majority rules.

55% of Americans support gay marriage.

That's a majority.

And 90% of Americans want background checks for guns.
And 51.1 % of Americans voted for Obama, but you want him out of office yesterday.
Over a million more people voted for Democratic congressional candidates, yet a group that the MINORITY cast votes for controls the House. You seem to have no issue with that.

Keep up the hypocrisy there dipshit.


When did I ever say there should not be backround checks on guns. I am pro second amendment but there is no way bad and or unstable people should have acces to them.
Yeah I think he should not have been elected. Um rethink your figures. 51.1% of 58.2% of eligible population is not 51% of Americans. I still show the current President hell of a lot more respect than you ever shown the previous one.
Once again, in the Senate Democrats are majority. In the House Republicans are the majority. The problem is that there is no one providing leadership to make the two bodies work together. Other Presidents have been able to do this why not now?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:19 pm 
See Chas you need to read. 1 MILLION more voters voted for Dems for CONGRESS. That's the House. You're just fine with the majority's opinion not mattering there.

And nice side step of Obama won but you won't adjust to that.


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See Chas you need to read. 1 MILLION more voters voted for Dems for CONGRESS. That's the House. You're just fine with the majority's opinion not mattering there.

And nice side step of Obama won but you won't adjust to that.


No sir, The Congress is made up of the Senate and the House of Representatives. The majority did speak the Republicans lost 9 seats,not enough to tip the balance.

Dude, I respect the office not the man. He is to put it mildly a failure.

Now back to the topic. Would you agree that each state should have a vote on same sex marriage? Then every person of that state would have to abide with the result. No lawsuits or Federal involvement?
No crossing over to another state and then expecting your home state to recognize an unlawful union?

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See Chas you need to read. 1 MILLION more voters voted for Dems for CONGRESS. That's the House. You're just fine with the majority's opinion not mattering there.

And nice side step of Obama won but you won't adjust to that.


No sir, The Congress is made up of the Senate and the House of Representatives. The majority did speak the Republicans lost 9 seats,not enough to tip the balance.

Dude, I respect the office not the man. He is to put it mildly a failure.

Now back to the topic. Would you agree that each state should have a vote on same sex marriage? Then every person of that state would have to abide with the result. No lawsuits or Federal involvement?
No crossing over to another state and then expecting your home state to recognize an unlawful union?

No I disagree with you on that. Because if that were the case, then each state will still be able to decide if black people counted as half a person or not. Discrimination is discrimination, no matter how you slice it.

And you're wrong. Doesn't matter how many seats they lost. More people voted for Democrats than Republicans for the House. No matter how you choose to spin it. And you are OK with that fact.


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Gays marrying would not negatively affect anyone's rights.

A national vote would clearly favor gay marriage.

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