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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:52 am 
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Time to make some changes to generate some/any kind of pash rush.

Anybody can use some other guy's playbook. Do you have any thoughts of your own??

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He's blitzing more but he is following a great defensive coach. He couldn't come in with all these veterans and try to change a system that worked well for 10 years. I think health and game shape is the primary issue.

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Who's got health issues?

If the players don't want any changes, get the job done. A good QB will destroy them without a pass rush.

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Hatchetman wrote:
Who's got health issues?

If the players don't want any changes, get the job done. A good QB will destroy them without a pass rush.


Melton and Peppers. Because of this neither are in game shape.

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Tillman has a knee.

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Agreed. If Dalton and Ponder can push these guys around, then Rodgers will set records on these guys.

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Agreed. If Dalton and Ponder can push these guys around, then Rodgers will set records on these guys.


Rodgers doesn't have AP in the backfield and Bengals game is first of the season. Not saying they will shut down GB, but I think the D will look better when everyone's mission isn't focused on stopping the running back from getting 200 yards.

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I'm not sure Tucker is the issue, here:

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Per @PFF, McClellin/Melton/Paea/Peppers all had grades below -2.0. Had Peppers for 1 QB hurry on 25 rushes. Lance Briggs led D with a +3.6


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Well, that being the case, they should just keep doing the exact same thing.

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Bucky Chris wrote:
I'm not sure Tucker is the issue, here:

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Per @PFF, McClellin/Melton/Paea/Peppers all had grades below -2.0. Had Peppers for 1 QB hurry on 25 rushes. Lance Briggs led D with a +3.6


These PFF grades seem to be becoming a standard for being as subjective a metric as they are. I just don't see the reliability in their work (this is independent of my thoughts on the above grades)

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At this point, I'd rather have Mel Sharples in there. To the 2 that get it, thanks. To the rest, I'll show myself out. :oops:

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Agreed. If Dalton and Ponder can push these guys around, then Rodgers will set records on these guys.


Rodgers doesn't have AP in the backfield and Bengals game is first of the season. Not saying they will shut down GB, but I think the D will look better when everyone's mission isn't focused on stopping the running back from getting 200 yards.

Perhaps you missed the James Starks show yesterday. You should remember him dropping 74 in some meaningless playoff game vs the bears a few years ago though.

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Too much cheese and Farve sperm cluttering up your brain. Any reasonable person would take AP 10 times out of 10 vs whoever GB is handing the ball off to.

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I think Rodgers is nearly infallible as a QB. To me, it doesn't matter if he's got AP in the backfield or Brock Forsey; he's going to drop 35 points on your head regardless, and there's nothing you can do about it.

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good dolphin wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
I'm not sure Tucker is the issue, here:

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Per @PFF, McClellin/Melton/Paea/Peppers all had grades below -2.0. Had Peppers for 1 QB hurry on 25 rushes. Lance Briggs led D with a +3.6


These PFF grades seem to be becoming a standard for being as subjective a metric as they are. I just don't see the reliability in their work (this is independent of my thoughts on the above grades)


The grading system makes sense to me. I'm not willing to call it decisive, but at the core of it, they are evaluating the player on every play. It's definitely subjective when they determine if the player had a positive, neutral or negative impact on the play... But I'm comfortable in thinking they are taking into account more than I can just by watching one time on live tv.


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Bucky Chris wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
I'm not sure Tucker is the issue, here:

Kevin Fishbain ‏@kfishbain
Per @PFF, McClellin/Melton/Paea/Peppers all had grades below -2.0. Had Peppers for 1 QB hurry on 25 rushes. Lance Briggs led D with a +3.6


These PFF grades seem to be becoming a standard for being as subjective a metric as they are. I just don't see the reliability in their work (this is independent of my thoughts on the above grades)


The grading system makes sense to me. I'm not willing to call it decisive, but at the core of it, they are evaluating the player on every play. It's definitely subjective when they determine if the player had a positive, neutral or negative impact on the play... But I'm comfortable in thinking they are taking into account more than I can just by watching one time on live tv.

The weighting for situation is utter bullshit.


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Bucky Chris wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
I'm not sure Tucker is the issue, here:

Kevin Fishbain ‏@kfishbain
Per @PFF, McClellin/Melton/Paea/Peppers all had grades below -2.0. Had Peppers for 1 QB hurry on 25 rushes. Lance Briggs led D with a +3.6


These PFF grades seem to be becoming a standard for being as subjective a metric as they are. I just don't see the reliability in their work (this is independent of my thoughts on the above grades)


The grading system makes sense to me. I'm not willing to call it decisive, but at the core of it, they are evaluating the player on every play. It's definitely subjective when they determine if the player had a positive, neutral or negative impact on the play... But I'm comfortable in thinking they are taking into account more than I can just by watching one time on live tv.


I agree with that however people seem to be referencing it these days as if it on the level of baseball advanced stats.

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http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 0444589524


A few short months ago, Rex Ryan seemed to be playing out the string on his coaching career with the New York Jets. His team was a shambles. In other news, the New Orleans Saints appeared to have the world's most miserable defense and the Kansas City Chiefs were so lousy that people had run out of jokes.

So much for all of that. As of this weekend, Ryan's bone-shattering defense—which is something of a family heirloom—was back atop the football world, having stopped the New England Patriots in overtime on Sunday. But what's really amazing is what's happened to the Saints and the Chiefs: Rex Ryan has somehow saved them, too.

This off-season, the 7-0 Chiefs, who are the NFL's lone remaining undefeated team (after having the league's worst record last season) hired Bob Sutton, Ryan's former linebackers coach. And the Saints, 5-1 after a nightmare 7-9 mark last season, hired Rex's brother and co-conspirator Rob as their defensive coordinator. Suddenly the Saints have jumped from 31st in points allowed to No. 4 this season.

Even the Buffalo Bills, who beat the Miami Dolphins Sunday to improve to 3-4, are beneficiaries of Ryan's largesse. They've hired Mike Pettine, Ryan's former defensive coordinator, to run their defense.

The Jets, now a surprising 4-3, made life complicated for Patriots quarterback Tom Brady Sunday. If you count the last two weeks, in games against Rob Ryan's Saints and Rex's Jets, he has been sacked a total of nine times. Only once, in 2001, has he been sacked more often in a two-week stretch.

The three teams running a "Ryan" defense rank among the top four in sacks in the AFC. "I don't need the validation. I know we're decent coaching defense," Ryan said on Monday.

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so anyway, my point is: TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT YOU DUMBASS!!

It can't get any worse.

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Hatchetman wrote:
so anyway, my point is: TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT YOU DUMBASS!!

It can't get any worse.


What do you want him to try?

The players either suck (Conte, McClellin, Peppers) or are injured. No scheme can mask a lack of talent. All he can do is place players in positions that allow them to make optimal use of their abilities, if any.

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I don't really care. How about a 3-3-5? I don't know.

Do you think if Rex Ryan were coaching this team, Peppers would have one QB sack?

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when you don't have the talent, you have to resort to trickery and confusion. just going mano-a-mano, you're going to get killed.

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Chris Conte has tricked all of us into believe he is an NFL caliber starting safety. That sort of trickeration has gotten the Bears killed.

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I thought Conte was a desperation move.

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