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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:50 am 
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And Im sure the people whose loved ones passed away because the CFD ambulance was disabled because the driver didnt blow into the Breathalyzer device fast enough while he was on the way to the call will be cool with it and say " we take great solace in the fact that we know the ambulance driver wasnt drunk while attempting to come to save our Mom's life".

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:19 am 
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Why not breathalyzers in every car?


I mean if you want to end drunk driving
Why not drug test workers every week?

Because some drugs are out of your system in 48 hours

Better go with daily tests.


Im not saying I think this is a good idea, but if the stated goal is prevention....


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And Im sure the people whose loved ones passed away because the CFD ambulance was disabled because the driver didnt blow into the Breathalyzer device fast enough while he was on the way to the call will be cool with it and say " we take great solace in the fact that we know the ambulance driver wasnt drunk while attempting to come to save our Mom's life".

Extreme example much?

In this hypothetical scenario, there would likely be exceptions for things like that.


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I'm sure it happens. Probably every profession in the country has had a person show up to work drunk/drink at work. Just not sure the cost/benefit is there.


i work at a Polish owned company
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And Im sure the people whose loved ones passed away because the CFD ambulance was disabled because the driver didnt blow into the Breathalyzer device fast enough while he was on the way to the call will be cool with it and say " we take great solace in the fact that we know the ambulance driver wasnt drunk while attempting to come to save our Mom's life".

Extreme example much?

In this hypothetical scenario, there would likely be exceptions for things like that.
I dont think its any more extreme than proposing that all city, state, federal vehicles be mandated to have a Breathalyzer in them( and then why stop there? all vehicles , everywhere) . The basic point I was trying to make in the thread was that this guy is totally monday morning quarterbacking this whole thing. Blame the driver, he was at fault , caused irreperable harm and suffering and is going to prison for it and the city is paying out damages because of it. To try and say the city is equally responsible as the driver is ridiculous.

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$2.4 seems light?

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bigfan wrote:
$2.4 seems light?

The guy is seriously injured for the rest of his life. He's probably unable to carry anything more than that.

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bigfan wrote:
$2.4 seems light?


Probably not politically connected or kicking back to the right people to get a bigger settlement.

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badrogue17 wrote:
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And Im sure the people whose loved ones passed away because the CFD ambulance was disabled because the driver didnt blow into the Breathalyzer device fast enough while he was on the way to the call will be cool with it and say " we take great solace in the fact that we know the ambulance driver wasnt drunk while attempting to come to save our Mom's life".

Extreme example much?

In this hypothetical scenario, there would likely be exceptions for things like that.
I dont think its any more extreme than proposing that all city, state, federal vehicles be mandated to have a Breathalyzer in them( and then why stop there? all vehicles , everywhere) . The basic point I was trying to make in the thread was that this guy is totally monday morning quarterbacking this whole thing. Blame the driver, he was at fault , caused irreperable harm and suffering and is going to prison for it and the city is paying out damages because of it. To try and say the city is equally responsible as the driver is ridiculous.

Im not proposing that

Im saying if they really wanted to stop drunk driving, they'd do that.

And Im not saying the city is at fault here.

I do think its possible. Like that guy who had 9 DUI's and was driving a bus. That company or whoever should be held responsible


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I don't think the City is at fault either.

Maybe his direct boss is, or enabled him to do what he did, but still the City overall probably doesn't condone this sort of behavior...

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I agree with the guy. I know several types of city workers that have been drinking on the job. A 1 time cost of installing these things will save millions more from defective work or lawsuits in the long run. You're paying for these settlements.

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$2.4 seems light?

The guy is seriously injured for the rest of his life. He's probably unable to carry anything more than that.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
I don't think the City is at fault either.

Maybe his direct boss is, or enabled him to do what he did, but still the City overall probably doesn't condone this sort of behavior...

Joe Paterno didnt condone Shower Horseplay


He didnt take steps to stop it either


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I agree with the guy. I know several types of city workers that have been drinking on the job. A 1 time cost of installing these things will save millions more from defective work or lawsuits in the long run. You're paying for these settlements.


right, i think you make a great point about defective work that is another (albeit far less severe) consequence
a guy drinking a half pint of E&J in his front seat, even if he does manage to not kill a crowd of pedestrians, chances are that his work isn't going to be all that great
that's another benefit to installing an interlock

and badrogue, it takes like 10 seconds to blow into one
i understand in an emergency every second counts, but i think 10 seconds is doable


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
I don't think the City is at fault either.

Maybe his direct boss is, or enabled him to do what he did, but still the City overall probably doesn't condone this sort of behavior...

Couldnt agree more!
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To me this is no different than saying the city is at fault if one of their workers did the same thing but was texting or on a cell phone then saying well the city should put dash cams in every car and someone should be monitoring and have a kill switch they can throw the second they see someone start talking or texting while driving. Have a nurse on duty at every city motor pool that does a blood test for drugs before anyone can drive a city vehicle . Where does it end?

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To me this is no different than saying the city is at fault if one of their workers did the same thing but was texting or on a cell phone then saying well the city should put dash cams in every car and someone should be monitoring and have a kill switch they can throw the second they see someone start talking or texting while driving. Have a nurse on duty at every city motor pool that does a blood test for drugs before anyone can drive a city vehicle . Where does it end?


A lot of companies do have dash cams and monitor those things. Zero tolerance policy. It saves money and lives.

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Im saying if they really wanted to stop drunk driving, they'd do that.

Which they really don't. There's no revenue in prevention.

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Im saying if they really wanted to stop drunk driving, they'd do that.

Which they really don't. There's no revenue in prevention.


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Im saying if they really wanted to stop drunk driving, they'd do that.

Which they really don't. There's no revenue in prevention.


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To me this is no different than saying the city is at fault if one of their workers did the same thing but was texting or on a cell phone then saying well the city should put dash cams in every car and someone should be monitoring and have a kill switch they can throw the second they see someone start talking or texting while driving. Have a nurse on duty at every city motor pool that does a blood test for drugs before anyone can drive a city vehicle . Where does it end?


A lot of companies do have dash cams and monitor those things. Zero tolerance policy. It saves money and lives.

Would you say that every company in every industry that currently does not have those in place is then equally negligent and liable as their employee if one of their workers crashes into a crowd of people?

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It's about cost/benefit and risk/liability. 98% of companies have insurance to which they adhere to policy compliance. The other 2% are reckless fly-by-nights probably hiring under the table, and the government. The government has its insurance through the pockets of taxpayers.

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To me this is no different than saying the city is at fault if one of their workers did the same thing but was texting or on a cell phone then saying well the city should put dash cams in every car and someone should be monitoring and have a kill switch they can throw the second they see someone start talking or texting while driving. Have a nurse on duty at every city motor pool that does a blood test for drugs before anyone can drive a city vehicle . Where does it end?


A lot of companies do have dash cams and monitor those things. Zero tolerance policy. It saves money and lives.

Would you say that every company in every industry that currently does not have those in place is then equally negligent and liable as their employee if one of their workers crashes into a crowd of people?


Considering they're going to have to pay for their employees mistakes it seems like a reasonable investment to make.

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