I don't really know anything about it but I thought the changing people was a Theo/Jed thing. Making batters a certain way for more pitches/higher OPS?

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I'm told the #Cubs have been informed by Joe Girardi's camp that he will listen if they want to talk. Indeed they do.

God forbid Castro & Rizzo suck because,well they just suck. I agree with Frank. I would keep Sveum. I think he is a solid baseball man and gives good "press conference". 75 mil for a manager??? Keep it.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Granted, I stopped watching awhile ago, but I didn't see anything from Sveum to suggest he's a really good manager. Never seemed to manage the bullpen well, IMO. I doubt he'd be signed by another team if the Cubs let him go.

It might surprise a lot of fans,but former Cub managers do find other teams to hire them as managers (or front office): Jim Frey,Lee Elia,Jim Marshall,Dusty Baker,Gene "Stick" Michael,Leo Durocher,Preston Gomez

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Landing Girardi would be a major upgrade over Svuem. Let's hope they step up to the plate and get a deal done for at minimum 4 years.

As for Svuem, I doubt he ever lands another managing gig at the major league level. He won't be like Quade who is out of baseball ( ) but I never understood why they hired him in the first place (unless he convinced them he'd gladly eat a shit sandwich) and in his 2 years here, he did nothing to prove that he is or that he can be a top flight manager at the big league level even with the talent.

I guess if they get Girardi the Cubs will have to speed up their plan to improve the team. Girardi is not going to want to manage a last place team for 2 or 3 years.

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I don't know where some of these numbers get thrown around, but I think it leads to even worse opinions. I would guess Girardi receives 5/30-35 to make the jump. It certainly seems like a great fit. However, Girardi is headstrong. A healthy disagreement with management is good for everyone. My concern is that everyone involved is too set in their ways. All that said, I think and hope it would be a match.

If the Cubs get Girardi, it's an instant boost for the weakening fan base. A cheap boost compared to a major free agent signing. I don't think the Cubs would start going crazy in free agency, nor do I want them to. But signing the new manager one year ahead of schedule would probably modify the plan a bit. I could see more small free agent signings, making them a legit contender for the last wild card spot if everything goes really well.

I'm really indifferent on Dale. I don't think he's horrible, but nothing tells me he's great. If Girardi is interested, and management thinks it's a fit, you don't worry about Sveum's feelings. The move instantly improves the organization.

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The Pettitte game. Wow. This is all lining up like Theo's Boston team tanking.

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I don't know that Girardi is the answer. It's one thing to have the Yankees roster to manage. It's another to have a crappy team of rookies to coach up.

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I dont think Girardi is coming here. His kids are engrossed in NY schools for God's sake.

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Yeah, it doesn't make sense to leave a good job for one that will require him to do more work. He pretty much has a gig where he knows the team will be a contender regardless of who coaches.

I do think Girardi is overrated as a manager. So far they've only won 1 title with him as manager in 6 years and they've missed the playoffs twice.

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If he did that in Chicago-- 4 playoff appearances including 1 WS title over 6 years-- he would be the best manager in Cubs history.

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Are the Yankees really going to let Girardi get away? If they do who are they going to hire as their next manager? Mike Scioscia? Lou Pinella? Derek Jeter as player/manager? Not a lot of options for them and this is the New York Yankees we're talking about. I think they are going to make Girardi an offer he can't refuse.

Right, but he doesn't manage in Chicago. The Yankees can buy whatever players they want. The Cubs or Sox don't have that kind of money to spend on players. A great manager is not required when you have great players. The fact that Girardi missed the playoffs with exceptional talent should be noted.

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Girardi is scheduled to interview next week for the NU baseball manager position. He's always said he wanted to do it after he was done with the Yankees.

For NU, it would be a coup to have Fitzgerald, Collins and Girardi coaching the top 3 sports.

You should also note that a lot of Girardi's exceptional talent-- Jeter, Texiera, CC, ARod, Granderson-- spent time on the DL this season.

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I agree. If he leaves it certainly won't be due to money/perks.

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Andrew Marchand of ESPN New York was told by a source that the Yankees will not give the Cubs permission to talk to Joe Girardi unless their negotiations break down.
Girardi is under contract with the Yankees until October 31 and they will attempt to get something done as soon as possible. Yankees general manager Brian Cashman already met with Girardi on Monday and he's scheduled to meet with his agent on Wednesday.

Just hire Jim Tracy and be done with it.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

My short list is:

Girardi
Brenley
Mike Maddox

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Girardi's not gonna happen. If he still wants to manage, the Yankees are not going to let him leave.

Rosenthal brought up the name AJ Hinch as someone to keep an eye on. Seeing his record with the Diamondbacks, I would say it would be a seamless transition.

Isn't A.J. Hinch considered one of the most miserable failures in the history of field managers? Like, up there with the College of Coaches? I seem to remember him having some Bold New Ideas that just made a complete fucking hash out of everything imaginable.

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Jim Tracy has had the job with the Bucs & the Dodgers. He is also a failed Cubs prospect. He is perfect!

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

I thought the same thing, CH. Absolute train wreck with the D-Backs from what I remember.

career[edit]Tracy worked as a minor league manager for several organizations. He is featured as the manager of the 1988 Peoria Chiefs in the book "The Boys Who Would Be Cubs", by Joseph Bosco [1]. Tracy later served as the bench coach of the Montreal Expos (under manager Felipe Alou), and the Dodgers (under manager Davey Johnson) in 1999 and 2000.

Los Angeles Dodgers[edit]Tracy was manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers from 2001 to 2005, compiling 4 winning seasons and a 427–383 record. With Tracy as manager, the Dodgers won the National League's West division in 2004 but lost 3-1 to the St. Louis Cardinals in the National League Division Series. On October 3, 2005, after finishing the season at 71-91, Tracy and the Dodgers agreed to part ways citing "philosophical differences."[2]

Pittsburgh Pirates[edit]He was hired by the Pittsburgh Pirates on October 11, 2005. In two disappointing seasons in Pittsburgh, he compiled a 135–189 record. Tracy was fired by the Pirates on October 5, 2007.

See also: 2006 Pittsburgh Pirates season and 2007 Pittsburgh Pirates season
Colorado Rockies[edit]Jim Tracy was hired as bench coach for the Colorado Rockies in November 2008. On May 29, 2009, Clint Hurdle was fired with a 18–28 record, and Tracy was named to replace him. Tracy led the Rockies to the postseason, with a 74–42 (.638) record after taking over as manager, but lost the NLDS to the Philadelphia Phillies by a score of 3 games to 1. For his efforts in the 2009 season, Tracy was named Sporting News' NL Manager of the Year and the National League Manager of the Year Award as voted on by the Baseball Writers' Association of America.

In 2010, the Rockies lost 13 of their last 14 games, collapsing from a 1/2 game deficit in the wild card race to finish 7 games behind an Atlanta Braves team that went 6-8 in the same span. In 2011, the Rockies began the season with a 11-2 record before finishing the season with a 62-87 (.416) run that landed them in 4th place.

After the 2011 season, the Rockies rewarded Tracy with an "indefinite" contract extension.[3] The Rockies went on to accumulate a 37-65 record (.363) through August 1, leading to a front office reshuffle that left Jim Tracy and his staff intact. Tracy resigned as manager of the Rockies on October 7, 2012, following a disappointing and injury plagued 2012 season that saw the Rockies finish 64-98, the worst record in franchise history.[4]

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

If the plan is the plan they really should give some young nobody a shot for a couple years that is 100% full on in their philosophy to be hones.

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I'm trying to do some research on the A.J. Hinch thing, and it sounds like the Diamondbacks, with one of Theo's old Boston lieutenants at the helm, wanted to rethink what a manager had to be. Hinch was a catcher and had worked in scouting, but had no experience coaching or managing at any level. (Vinny!) What he DID have, however, was a degree in psychology from Stanford!



He didn't. No one wanted to play for the guy because no one took him seriously. Sometimes the conventional wisdom is right for a reason.

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It's very unlikely that they can get Girardi to come over. If anything I think the Cubs' options are limited with the Twins manager resigning.

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