Yup. And that's about it. The Foo Fighters suck dick.

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Nirvana breaks up, Kurt Cobain is still alive today, Foo Fighters still happen. How popular are they and Grohl in this scenario compared to reality.

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Well there was that Nirvana thing....

I have always found it interesting that at award shoes that were getting away from "rock" music Grohl and the Foo's were always winning the best rock award and were always at the shows....playing as well some of the time. He was a staple at the mtv music awards for years.

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I never suggested that being in a successful/popular band equaled great art.

I don't follow the Foos enough to know if he's missing or hitting. And really, I've paid more attention to his work with Queens and side-bands/projects, than anything else...

I really don't care about integrity in music, paying your dues...etc. none of that matters to me as a listener and learner. Is the song good? Do I like the riff? Are the drums cool? Is there a little sonic ear candy via effects or vocal techniques? Thats what I pay attention to. Lyrics are an afterthought to me. I'll "sing" the guitar solo before learning the chorus vocal.

So, I liked the movie. But, Music docs are like 2nd porn to me.

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Let me know the next time Grohl is doing karate kicks in spandex and wearing top hat and white gloves on stage. Or wearing rhinestones, or swinging across the stage on a cable chugging beers, or the next time he writes a deep, meaningful song about "reach(ing) down, between my legs.........ease the seat back..." (he probably genuinely did that) - or - and this is the best possible example - single handedly causes the break up of his band because he is a raging ass-hat to his bandmates and everybody else. And then does it again 20 years later.

Grohl stands on stage in a t-shirt and chews gum and sings/screams songs during a show. He is a master at stage 'banter' during tuning breaks/rests as well. He pretty much doesn't do anything else that is "poseur rockstar". In Nirvana, he was the least "showy" of his bandmates. In Foo Fighters he gets to be in front and talk.

That is a terrible comparison you just made. Grohl "plays the rockstar" more than DLR ever did. Come on now......


edit: PYROTECHNICS!! Damn you Dave Grohl and your pyrotechnics on stage! Just stand and play the music from the heart like "DIAMOND DAVE did!

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Let the record show..... (saying it like I mean it) -

I prefer the DLR VH over all of the other incarnations of the band - and it's not even close. In fact, JORR, I'll give you a do-over. Maybe tell us how much of a poseur that Sammy Hagar is and then we can agree.

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Is everybody that has performed on an MTV award show automatically not genuine/poseur/not good/I'm not sure what UMN's point is? Because it's actually a pretty long and impressive list. Including Nirvana.

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"But what about my integrity?.....$50k?"

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My point is the date on that. 2011?? Those shows have been hip hop/pop/boy band garbage for probably a decade now. While the list is long and impressive it hasn't been added to in many many years. He was MTV's token rock guy.

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Grohl: Hmmm....I don't know. I mean, I want it to come from the heart.

Moonvies: Fine. $75k.

Grohl: Ok. But I get to break something. I have to show emotion.

JORR: A-Ha! Gotcha!

Beardown:

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I look at it more like this:

In the mid-90's, rock was all the rage (pun intended). So the majority of the live acts were.......rock - but there was still the random "TLC" or some other poppy type of performance. Now, it's the pop shit that's "big", so the majority of the acts are.......pop. It's cyclical as far as the what is the "popular" genre. Always has been.

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Those shows have been crap for a long time, but you cant fault artits for for going when asked/required.

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JORR! How do you feel about Green Day?

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dammit!!! they are all over that VMA list on wikipedia. I couldn't even find grohl on the list of performers...ever at the vma's though I am pretty damn sure he at least played the pre show on the roof when the foo's just started up. Either he always went to the movie awards or was just physically there in the crowd and winning token rock awards. I have no idea anymore. Its too late.

Enjoy the Marian 6 pt victory.

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They played one VMA for sure - Pat Smear's last show (well, until it wansn't his last show ) The last performance of the original Foo lineup. Smear was replaced by the guitarist from Scream (another Grohl band) and No Use for a Name (RIP Tony. Loved that band). "Rock on Foo Fighters!!"

Side note: Doug absolutely loves Pat Smear.

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I didn't call Roth a poseur, although now that you mention it he really was. Filling a Jack bottle with iced tea. He's Mr. Show Biz. But like I said, I don't mind it from him. I think he reveled in the artifice of it all. That's fine. But we can call it what it is. And for the record, I prefer the Roth Van Halen too. Is there really anyone who doesn't?

But that kind of gets to the heart of the "punk rock" of the 80s. It was a reaction the Van Halen style of rock star excess. And that's where Grohl's roots are. I just think for him to embrace that kind of thing once he had the chance is disingenuous.

And I understand Doug's viewpoint. If you want to say that you just listen to songs and appreciate particular sonic qualities, that's fine. That's coming at it from a truly musical perspective. But I would submit that there is more to rock and roll than just the sound. For example, nobody cares if the first chair violinist in a symphony looks like the kid from Mask. Or what she does on her off days. I guess that's where Doug's at. But can you really tell me you would like Sleater-Kinney the way you do if they looked like Moe, Larry, and Curly? I think looks and style are nearly as important as the music.

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I don't like the fact that he sings in that fake accent. Be who you are. There's no doubt "Longview" is a great song. I don't really need much more of them than that.

I know we've had this discussion on the board before and there are a bunch of guys who post here who were all at one particular Green Day show at the Aragon. My girlfriend won the tickets somewhere and a friend and I went just because it was free. They put on a great rock and roll show. At the end Billy Joe handed his guitar to a guy from the audience who played the song better than he did. I liked them a little more after that. That later stuff and the musical is really off my radar.

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I realize we're all Americans, and that's a real American viewpoint. Be who you are, I guess. Isn't that the exact definition of integrity, though? That your values don't come with a price tag? Monetize everything!

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Well, Moe and Larry would have trouble pulling off the vocals, but yes, I would. Jessica Simpson (or somebody is similar) is really attractive, but her music sucks.
And besides, none of the ladies in S-K are particularly attractive.

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None of them is a supermodel, but they have a look and a style. With regard to Jessica Simpson, a look by itself isn't enough. But rock and roll has always been about more than just the music. In fact, from just a musical outlook, most rock and roll couldn't really be called objectively "good". It's also about style, fashion, etc. Panache! (You'll have to excuse me, I just saw Cyrano this week.)

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

You are really hard to follow in this thread.

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How so? Tributosaurus takes all kinds of heat in this forum. If all we're doing is listening to music, Tributosaurus is great. But there's a lot more to rock and how we feel about it than just some guys playing guitars and drums really well.

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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Sure, Dave Grohl has "punk" roots, but he grew up, became man, had a family, etc. My musical tastes have certainly evolved as I've grow older.

Because he's not "true" to an ideal that he may have outgrown doesn't necessarily equate to being disingenuous...

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How can you "outgrow" an ideal? I might accept what you're saying if I thought Dave Grohl really believed in anything. You seem to be suggesting that the "grown-up" Grohl is focused on making money to support his beloved family. I'd bet Dave Grohl's family won't stop him from banging the next 17 year old groupie that staggers backstage.

I'm not really talking about musical style. There are people with integrity that play all types of music. I just don't think Dave Grohl is one of them. And frankly, if we're measuring him purely as a musician and songwriter, he's decidedly mediocre. Even as a drummer. If you saw Sound City, you must have seen the part where the producer made him play with a click track because of his inability to keep steady time.

Since you bumped this thread, I'll, say a couple more things. Going back to what I said to spanky regarding Sleater-Kinney, you know, if a band sounded exactly like them but looked like the Three Stooges, I'd still like them. Maybe I'd like them more. But they'd definitely be a different band.

You should believe what you sing. And if you stop believing it, you should shut the fuck up. To me, writing "hope I die before I get old" and then playing it as a 70 year old is the opposite of integrity. It's the act of a person who believes in nothing but money.

"Eye cream and thigh cream, how 'bout a get high cream?" That's a statement. If you're gonna write and sing it, you should mean it. Carrie Brownstein is a television star to some degree, but you can tell by the way she conducts herself, she still believes the words her old bandmate sang. It's not about money. We all need money. You can make a commercial without prostituting yourself. If you're saying fame and wealth changed Dave Grohl and his values, I agree.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Perspective changes what's important in our lives. You're smart, you're just posturing. I don't like to play with GI Joes anymore, but they were pretty important to me at one time.



Complete blind speculation, plus I don't think seventeen year olds listen to the Foo Fighters.



It's difficult to play with a click if that's not what you do. Because you don't play "mechanically" doesn't mean you don't have good timekeeping. Dave is regarded in the musical community as a highly skilled drummer. You may not dig his shit, but the dude is a top-notch musician and songwriter.



I'm not sure how this applies to Dave Grohl. He's one of the most passionate performers of music I've ever seen. He puts everything into every performance. I've never seen, nor heard, any evidence that he ever "phones it in" or "goes through the motions". That to me is musical integrity. Putting your EVERYTHING into the performance.




I'm saying Dave's perspective in life has changed. He's not some teeny-bopper, punk rock, anti-establishment kid anymore. He's got responsibilities and family obligations and children with futures to consider. Because he doesn't say fuck you to "The Man" doesn't mean he's sold out, in my opinion.

When I first started playing music twenty years ago, all I wanted was to party and meet broads. Now that I'm older, it's about the music and communication, self expression and working with the boys in the band and making a connection with the listener. My personal perspective is... priorities and motivations shift.

I'm not going to go back and forth about this. You're not a fan and think he's a "sell out" because he's not clinging to some long lost "Indie" point of view... and that's fine, but I think you're projecting some kind of failed idealism on him because he's rich and famous or because you think he's mediocre...

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I agree with Makalu G on everything above.

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