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Considering the short amount of time he was even aware this child was his, I don't really know how much of a "fatherly" connection truly exists. I can honestly step back and say, yes, if it were me, I would play, too.

If you have any issue with my statement above, feel free to kiss my ass. Here are my credentials. I was essentially abandoned by my "mother" at 6 months old, I was raised in a stable, loving environment by my paternal grandparents. I have not heard from my "mother" in any way, shape, or form since a birthday card when I turned 6. My grandparents raised me as if I were their own son, as I grew up, I watched, and continue to watch my father be an irresponsible jackass. The best thing he ever did for me was move home with me. I find the fact that I got married in my "mother"s home town, without their knowledge or presence slightly funny.

As far as who has the right to give an opinion, I find the idea that whether someone does or does not have children should not be a basis on whether or not they have the right to give said opinion. That counts for Darko's marriage theory, too. We all have different backgrounds and experiences that lead to our belief system. That opinion probably will change based on a new experience, but they have every right to not get killed for expressing said current opinion.

The idea that this thread exists is not remotely surprising, but completely ridiculous anyway.

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Considering the short amount of time he was even aware this child was his, I don't really know how much of a "fatherly" connection truly exists. I can honestly step back and say, yes, if it were me, I would play, too.

If you have any issue with my statement above, feel free to kiss my ass. Here are my credentials. I was essentially abandoned by my "mother" at 6 months old, I was raised in a stable, loving environment by my paternal grandparents. I have not heard from my "mother" in any way, shape, or form since a birthday card when I turned 6. My grandparents raised me as if I were their own son, as I grew up, I watched, and continue to watch my father be an irresponsible jackass. The best thing he ever did for me was move home with me. I find the fact that I got married in my "mother"s home town, without their knowledge or presence slightly funny.

As far as who has the right to give an opinion, I find the idea that whether someone does or does not have children should not be a basis on whether or not they have the right to give said opinion. That counts for Darko's marriage theory, too. We all have different backgrounds and experiences that lead to our belief system. That opinion probably will change based on a new experience, but they have every right to not get killed for expressing said current opinion.

The idea that this thread exists is not remotely surprising, but completely ridiculous anyway.


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I didn't say they didn't have a right to an opinion.
I said that opinion was lacking context.
Boyd, you're recently married... Do you find that your relationship feels different now than it did 4 weeks ago?
I remember the sex on our wedding night. It was so completely different than it was before our marriage. Its been different since. Our relationship instantly changed that night. Not better or worse, just different. A wholly different experience, each day married, than it was before the vows.
I don't begrugde anyones opinion on how they'd react to a dead child. I just don't buy the opinions because I believe that they lack context.
Yall can say what you want. Don't bother me none.

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Darkside wrote:
I didn't say they didn't have a right to an opinion.
I said that opinion was lacking context.
Boyd, you're recently married... Do you find that your relationship feels different now than it did 4 weeks ago?

Nope.

The context can be taken from the observations made from seeing married couples, though, no?

Like a single guy or gal can still have an opinion based on marriages around them, be it parents, grandparents, friends, etc?

I think that context can come from different points of view, not just a first person marriage...just my opinion. That's all.

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I didn't say they didn't have a right to an opinion.
I said that opinion was lacking context.
Boyd, you're recently married... Do you find that your relationship feels different now than it did 4 weeks ago?

Nope.

The context can be taken from the observations made from seeing married couples, though, no?

Like a single guy or gal can still have an opinion based on marriages around them, be it parents, grandparents, friends, etc?

I think that context can come from different points of view, not just a first person marriage...just my opinion. That's all.

I'd have to disagree. Would you find football analysis from former football players more truthful and compelling than analysis from someone who, say like Hub, never played a down?

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I agree with Darkside. Your views of things change dramatically once you live it. I think most parents would say the love for their kid(s) is different than their love of anyone else.

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Darkside wrote:
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I didn't say they didn't have a right to an opinion.
I said that opinion was lacking context.
Boyd, you're recently married... Do you find that your relationship feels different now than it did 4 weeks ago?

Nope.

The context can be taken from the observations made from seeing married couples, though, no?

Like a single guy or gal can still have an opinion based on marriages around them, be it parents, grandparents, friends, etc?

I think that context can come from different points of view, not just a first person marriage...just my opinion. That's all.

I'd have to disagree. Would you find football analysis from former football players more truthful and compelling than analysis from someone who, say like Hub, never played a down?


Depends on which football player we're talking about. I find Hub more insightful than say Tony Siragusa or Pam Oliver, who we all know used to be Curtis Enis.

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I didn't say they didn't have a right to an opinion.
I said that opinion was lacking context.

I think you said a hell of a lot more than that.

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I don't have any issue with AP playing yesterday. I wouldn't have had any issue had he chose to sat out.

Its his life, it was his child. Who the hell is anybody here to give him a DBag nomination or a shoutout either way?

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How long did he know this child existed?

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I was raised in a stable, .


I would have guessed a barn.

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I'd have to disagree. Would you find football analysis from former football players more truthful and compelling than analysis from someone who, say like Hub, never played a down?


Where'd you get your marriage license?

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Darkside wrote:
I'd have to disagree. Would you find football analysis from former football players more truthful and compelling than analysis from someone who, say like Hub, never played a down?


Where'd you get your marriage license?


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How long did he know this child existed?


Does that really matter?

After knowing my son for 10 minutes, I would be inconsolable if something had happened to him.

But as I said, everyone grieves differently. There is no right or wrong way.

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Darkside wrote:
I'd have to disagree. Would you find football analysis from former football players more truthful and compelling than analysis from someone who, say like Hub, never played a down?


Where'd you get your marriage license?


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Grow cold, grow cold, grow cold



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No my angle was how much time did he have to take action? Like if he just found out a couple of days ago. Or a year, six months? You'd think the mother would have told him ASAP.

I find it more disturbing that he knew he had a son (for at least some time) and did (apparently) nothing to take care of him, though he easily could have.

But I find a lot of things disturbing. That's why I have such a hard time making it through the day. I needed a drink by 8:30 this morning.

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I not gonna call him a douchebag for it, but if my 2 year old son had been murdered, I'm not playing football the next day.

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No my angle was how much time did he have to take action? Like if he just found out a couple of days ago. Or a year, six months? You'd think the mother would have told him ASAP.

I find it more disturbing that he knew he had a son (for at least some time) and did (apparently) nothing to take care of him, though he easily could have.

But I find a lot of things disturbing. That's why I have such a hard time making it through the day. I needed a drink by 8:30 this morning.


Ah.

From my understanding he found out a few days ago.

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Considering the short amount of time he was even aware this child was his, I don't really know how much of a "fatherly" connection truly exists. I can honestly step back and say, yes, if it were me, I would play, too.

If you have any issue with my statement above, feel free to kiss my ass. Here are my credentials. I was essentially abandoned by my "mother" at 6 months old, I was raised in a stable, loving environment by my paternal grandparents. I have not heard from my "mother" in any way, shape, or form since a birthday card when I turned 6. My grandparents raised me as if I were their own son, as I grew up, I watched, and continue to watch my father be an irresponsible jackass. The best thing he ever did for me was move home with me. I find the fact that I got married in my "mother"s home town, without their knowledge or presence slightly funny.

As far as who has the right to give an opinion, I find the idea that whether someone does or does not have children should not be a basis on whether or not they have the right to give said opinion. That counts for Darko's marriage theory, too. We all have different backgrounds and experiences that lead to our belief system. That opinion probably will change based on a new experience, but they have every right to not get killed for expressing said current opinion.

The idea that this thread exists is not remotely surprising, but completely ridiculous anyway.


"Son," he said, "have I got a little story for you."

All kidding aside, thanks for sharing. Completely side with you on the Peterson issue as well.

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You think my opinion is wrong? Fine. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again, I have absolutely no issue with that. With that being said, save please save the "who are we to" bullshit. We give our opinions about everything and most of the time we have little to no first hand knowledge about any of the topics.

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In my opinion, you are nobody to be able call a man a douchebag for how he deals with this situation. Nobody here is. Its not bullshit at all. I think its pure bullshit to start this thread. There is no right or wrong way to deal with death. The fact is that its different for everybody.

That is my opinion, and I'll continue to give that opinion unless I get more knowledge on the subject.

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That /\ sounds dumb



I have only one child so if anything happened like that I think I'd be a baketcase or doing stupid crazy shit


I wouldn't be at work though

Would your life essentially be over?

Might as well commit suicide at that point, eh?

I'm not sure if you're serious or not but yes that would absolutely be on the table

That's what I meant by crazy shit


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We give our opinions about everything and most of the time we have little to no first hand knowledge about any of the topics.


I'm pretty sure that if you go to the actual CSFMB homepage, that's the subtitle for this place.

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Makes me question their mindset even when their child is alive.

Well as much sleep as I'll lose over you questioning my mind set , I think if you research this a little bit you'll find many people feel this way


I remember a guy I work with saying something like that when his 7 yr old daughter had a near death experience. I didn't have my daughter yet. I thought it sounded extreme. Once I had my daughter I sorta understood where he was coming from


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I'm not sure if you're serious or not but yes that would absolutely be on the table

That's what I meant by crazy shit

No offense to anyone...but contemplating suicide as a result of a tragedy means there may have been a screw or ten loose before the tragedy.

We realize, from even a young age, that some bad shit is going to happen throughout a person's life. And you were also supposed to be taught to cope.

I would think the more religious amongst us would be even more resistant to these types of thoughts.


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I'm not sure if you're serious or not but yes that would absolutely be on the table

That's what I meant by crazy shit

No offense to anyone...but contemplating suicide as a result of a tragedy means there may have been a screw or ten loose before the tragedy.

We realize, from even a young age, that some bad shit is going to happen throughout a person's life. And you were also supposed to be taught to cope.

I would think the more religious amongst us would be even more resistant to these types of thoughts.

You sure seem to or think you know a lot.

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I'm not sure if you're serious or not but yes that would absolutely be on the table

That's what I meant by crazy shit

No offense to anyone...but contemplating suicide as a result of a tragedy means there may have been a screw or ten loose before the tragedy.

We realize, from even a young age, that some bad shit is going to happen throughout a person's life. And you were also supposed to be taught to cope.

I would think the more religious amongst us would be even more resistant to these types of thoughts.


Except, the whole "a child dying before his/her parent" goes completely against anything we're taught. I think you're off your rocker on this one, IMU.

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I'm not sure if you're serious or not but yes that would absolutely be on the table

That's what I meant by crazy shit

No offense to anyone...but contemplating suicide as a result of a tragedy means there may have been a screw or ten loose before the tragedy

I think you're wrong about that. I think there are studies that would prove that suicide contemplation is more common than you think.



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We realize, from even a young age, that some bad shit is going to happen throughout a person's life. And you were also supposed to be taught to cope

"Some bad shit" is losing your job unexpectadly or your wife cheating or even a deadly disease. Sudden death of a child is a little different.

If you're saying that some parents (including myself) live too much for their kids or their happiness is too dependant on their children, then I'll just say, I'd rather care too much than not enough.


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