His baseball numbers are other worldly,steroids or not. He busted his 'roided ass for the Cubs even though he could never hit the cutoff man in the outfield. For once on this board I really don't have a strong opinion on this subject.

What do you guys think?

* The Cubs should welcome him back for a "day"

* Put up a statue in the new hotel next to the public restrooms.

* he is an a_hole,ignore him.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Bring him in for vampire day.

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That sucks.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Bring him back after they win the World Series

I'm kind of torn on the subject of all those guys. What happened happened and it's a part of baseball history. Are we really going to just ignore all the great players from a 25 year period (except those who the media have arbitrarily decided to declare "clean")?

But there's no doubt that Sammy is a turd and there are many guys who never put up his numbers who were far better players. It's all fucked up. This guy running around talking about how he and Mark "saved" baseball. In fact, they nearly destroyed it. Fuck Sammy Sosa.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Bud Selig saved baseball

The very idea that baseball needed "saving" is preposterous and offensive. It's the greatest game. It doesn't require trickery or nonsense. But it isn't a game for littlebrains. If you need constant stimuli, there's the NBA. Basball is the Dodgers and the Cardinals playing 1-0 and 3-2 games in October. If you find that "boring", you don't like baseball. Go watch Jay Cutler throw another interception.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

My point was more that Selig juiced the balls, but I agree with what you said there.

Oh, I believe that. I also believe he put them back to "normal". And that PED usage hasn't really diminished much. But he may get credit for "cleaning things up".

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I enjoyed the roid era.

What's the "stimuli" that characterizes the NBA?

On a different subject, I do not understand the talk about forgiving or including proven MLB cheaters in the record books, etc. I thought it was very simple: you cheated, therefore your history is necessarily tainted. What is the other side of the debate?

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Cubbie Nation does not forgive and Cubbie Nation does not forget.

It amazes me how many former players and managers are extremely disliked or hated. Even a fan has been put on the enemy list. It seems like a higher list than most other teams.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Who are you thinking of?

Well, it's still baseball. But you're pretty much the right age where nearly all the baseball you ever saw was that hyper-offensive style. And guys a little younger than you never saw what might be called "normal" baseball until the last couple seasons. I imagine it was similar to growing up in the 30s.

And when offensive production was wildly high and at the same time people were analyzing the numbers like never before, many ideas were based on the average numbers of that time. For example, giving outs away with bunts in a game where 10 or 12 runs are likely to be scores is foolish. It makes much more sense in a context where the final score may well be 2-1 or 1-0.

To me, a balanced game is a better game. If every dope can hit the ball 400 feet, who is special for doing it? And you've removed or decreased the value of components that are traditionally important like running and bunting, and even fielding to a large degree.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Bartman
Lou
Dusty
Sammy
Prior
Soriano(I know he isn't a former player yet)
Zambrano
Ryan Dempster
Milton Bradley
Carlos Marmol(deserved towards the end though)

Those are the major ones, thought it feels like I'm forgetting someone.
You probably could add Quade, McFail(if you include GM's), Alou, and many of the failed prospects like Pie, Hawkins, and Patterson if you wanted to.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

There is never a moment when something isn't blaring or moving. If you and a fellow basketball aficionado want to take a minute during a timeout to discuss all the stuff Thibs is running, good luck hearing each other and don't get hit in the head with a radio-controlled blimp.



Well, I think it's a little more complex than that. You pretty much had the whole league "cheating" with the tacit approval of the authorities.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

bring him to sox park and we'll all throw rum bottles at him.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

You forgot the most infamous one: Leon Durham...Oh wait,SS Gonzalez...oh,wait,Don Young from '69.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

I'm not one to argue for the "beauty" or "purity" or whatever of NBA basketball; the league has altered the rules over the last 15 years or so to clearly showcase its most marketable stars. But criticizing basketball for all the on-court movement seems trivial when the whole game is based off constant movement. If you just meant the theatrics in the stands during timeouts, then I don't get how that constitutes any sort of stimuli that's essential to the game. Radio controlled blimps don't sound all that different from men and woman racing around a baseball diamond dressed as massive sausages, or listening to some drunk celebrity serenade everyone with a botched-up rendering of take me out to the ballgame.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

I could do without that stuff too. There's no doubt that baseball has taken some cues from The NBA on how to "entertain" fans. It's an overall dumbing down of the sports fan. And society in general. I'm not criticizing others. I can hardly stand in one spot with my own thoughts before pulling out my phone and fucking around with it.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I can fly from here to LA doing nothing but staring at the seat in front of me. Compared to that baseball is exciting.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Id cut that list by about half but you have a point.

Definitely take Lou off. I dont see any hate for him.

And to me people dont have much hate for Zambrano and the Prior/Dempster ones are borderline.

Oh and Milton Bradley doesnt count for obvious reasons.


I actually have no hate for anyone on that list.

Steve Stone.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

I liked him and miss him on Cub telecasts.

once again:

You forgot the most infamous one: Leon Durham...Oh wait,SS Gonzalez...oh,wait,Don Young from '69.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Jimmy youre new posts are being HEAVILY scrutinized

Dont go into reruns


I have seen such blatant look at me self quoting since Panther Pisla quit the board

You must be talking about my work in "Greek Yogurt"

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

It doesn't really amaze me. On that list - I mean, maybe "hate" is too strong a word in most cases, but "extreme disappointment" is a fairly common denominator. Keep in mind, though, the OTT LOVE that guys like Jenkins, Wood, Williams, Santo, et al still receive, having pretty much accomplished the same, or less, on Cubs teams as those on the "enemies" list.

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Not a mult.

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