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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2013 11:41 am 
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Darkside and IMU are basically the same poster in many ways.


But with different interests. It seems to me that Darkside gets in more board fights. I havent met him in person. Since Ive met IMU a few times, I know him much better. I generally like everyone, but there are some bad trollish posters. Doesnt mean I dont like them, but their posts are a waste.


Right, but there it should come as no surprise why these two fellers get into bickering battles often. They have similar board personas on opposite ends of the spectrum.


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IMU : Good

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Darkside is fine by me. He can be edgy, which is a positive atrtribute. Bad is the lot of trolls-miniditka, beardown, ikewhateverdirection, etc.

I get annoyed by folks that will debate something for ten pages or more, but at least they create traffic.



Beardown is a brilliant satirist in the Jonathon Swift tradition. He hails from the Tall Midget family of mults.

Darkside combines the best attributes of Panther and Scorehead.

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denisdman wrote:
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Darkside and IMU are basically the same poster in many ways.


But with different interests. It seems to me that Darkside gets in more board fights. I havent met him in person.



Let me just warn you in case you do meet him, his neck tattoos are frightening.

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Well since you're a recent defender of the less fortunate, surely you have nothing against body art?

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Well since you're a recent defender of the less fortunate, surely you have nothing against body art?



Come on, denis! Is that another stereotype from the board's Tea Party faction! :lol:

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Well since you're a recent defender of the less fortunate, surely you have nothing against body art?



Come on, denis! Is that another stereotype from the board's Tea Party faction! :lol:



Jorr it kind of is. I go back to the book Coming Apart. The author uses the infiltration of previously lower class activities (tattoos was one example) into main stream life and middle class values. He argues that the country is adopting the habits of the lower class- out of wedlock births, lower church attendance, high divorce rates, etc. He has all the data tables and charts to back this up. I never really thought about it much. A year ago in Vegas, I was at the pool and noticed at least 80% of the patrons had tattoos, regular middle aged folks. Now there's nothing wrong with that. I just said, oh he was right.

Here's the rub from the book- the vast majority of the truly successful Americans, top 5%, have almost none of the attributes of this so-called new middle class. The data amazed me.

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denisdman wrote:
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Well since you're a recent defender of the less fortunate, surely you have nothing against body art?



Come on, denis! Is that another stereotype from the board's Tea Party faction! :lol:



Jorr it kind of is. I go back to the book Coming Apart. The author uses the infiltration of previously lower class activities (tattoos was one example) into main stream life and middle class values. He argues that the country is adopting the habits of the lower class- out of wedlock births, lower church attendance, high divorce rates, etc. He has all the data tables and charts to back this up. I never really thought about it much. A year ago in Vegas, I was at the pool and noticed at least 80% of the patrons had tattoos, regular middle aged folks. Now there's nothing wrong with that. I just said, oh he was right.

Here's the rub from the book- the vast majority of the truly successful Americans, top 5%, have almost none of the attributes of this so-called new middle class. The data amazed me.


Without having read the book, that "data set" sounds awfully subjective and biased. Middle/low class "values" is a worthless category/term since it assumes distinct binaries between economically differentiated groups of people, for whom they may or may not share fondness for particular cultural or counter-cultural trends. There's a whole lot of fluidity when it comes to culture and aesthetics that cannot be neatly pinned down into "classes" as the author presumes. The truth is that agnosticism, divorce rates, etc., are representative all across the societal board.

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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Darkside and IMU are basically the same poster in many ways.



I'm guessing there might be a certain layer of comfort knowing you've now created your worst post that you ever will and that, relatively speaking, everything is uphill from there.

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Vegan, the book is interesting. First it strips race out of the equation because it only uses whites to prevent issues with the changes in demographics from 1960 until today. It then uses objective data on things like divorce rates, out of wedlock births, and incomes.

It compares the top 5% to how it looked in 1960. Amazingly, on most metrics, the top 5% look largely the same.

Then it looks at other slices of income. Unfortunately, the middle classes have converged with the poor.


Now we can argue about if divorces and single parent households are good or bad or to what degree.

His reasoning as to why is also interesting. A few key things- mobility is higher with interstate highways and automobiles, and the better off self segregate by location. Top universities became much more selective based roughly around IQ's. Since most educated people meet their spouses in college, more high IQ people were having offspring together. When that happens, they are much more likely to have high IQ offspring. And so on.

These factors have led to the separation and outperformance of the top class to the detriment of everyone else. If youre interested, it is a must read.

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Don Tiny wrote:
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Darkside and IMU are basically the same poster in many ways.



I'm guessing there might be a certain layer of comfort knowing you've now created your worst post that you ever will and that, relatively speaking, everything is uphill from there.


Listen here, Wee Donald. I am nothing if not a man who strives to out do his previous extremes, so I will do my best to prove that I can post much worse thoughts.


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Who are some examples of good and bad?

I've been both at various points during my time here.

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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Darkside and IMU are basically the same poster in many ways.



I'm guessing there might be a certain layer of comfort knowing you've now created your worst post that you ever will and that, relatively speaking, everything is uphill from there.


Listen here, Wee Donald. I am nothing if not a man who strives to out do his previous extremes, so I will do my best to prove that I can post much worse thoughts.



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Good posters make threads that consistently reach more than one page.



Who's the more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?

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Good posters make threads that consistently reach more than one page.
A bad poster makes threads that reach more than one page because they make 80% of the posts.

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Good posters make threads that consistently reach more than one page.
A bad poster makes threads that reach more than one page because they make 80% of the posts.

Who would be Keeping Score on that sort of thing?

Panther?


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Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
Darkside and IMU are basically the same poster in many ways.

wow

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Darkside and IMU are basically the same poster in many ways.

wow
Aren't personal insults against Darkside a bannable offense?

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