Danny and Terry must really hate the Cardinals and their fan base now. 9-0 and on their way to another World Series.

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Doesn't really matter really. Chicago deep dish AND thin crust from joints wins every time. Brooklyn fucking bias.

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Their fans are annoying and rightfully ridiculed but this organization is just tremendous.

New York doesn't have the same level of "must visit" attractions as London, Paris, or a very few other cities in the world do either.

What attractions are "must visit" that people travel from around the globe to see in New York? New York is just either the start or end of an international tourist's trip to the US. I'm struggling for 3-4 "must visit" attractions in New York for people around the world: Statue of Liberty? Hmmmm....maybe Times Square? Maybe?

Paris has 3 for sure, maybe more. London probably has 2-3, depending on what a person's interests are, but I'm good without ever paying to see a clock or stuff associated with a family of people pretending to be royalty.

I guess my point is, cities aren't defined as "world class" because of a small collection of attractions. If so, I submit the greater Orlando/Kissimmee area. Cities get defined as WC based more on GD's definition. If we are basing "world class" on attractions that are must see - there are 5-6 cities in Italy alone that would be more world class than NY.

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I'd define "world class" as meaning I can get whatever kind of meal I want after 10 p.m. Chicago has more in common with Tulsa than it does with New York City.

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Tokyo probably doesn't meet your criteria either then. But Las Vegas does!

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Tokyo definitely meets it. As for Vegas, it's a re-creation of a world class city, an ersatz version. There's nothing real about it.

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Locally in the last 25+ years, never have truer words been spoken/posted.

And 95% of "our" suburbs are beneath Tulsa.

Easily, imo.

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You can get a good pizza after 10 pm on a Tuesday in Tokyo? How about a gyro?

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Why would you want to eat pizza or gyros in Tokyo?

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Because, the definition of a world class city is "I can get whatever kind of meal I want after 10 p.m."


Chicago meets your definition maybe more than any city I can think of.....

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Except Vegas. And no right minded person should assert THAT! (Edit: missed a line in an earlier post)

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Right. And I don't want to eat pizza in Tokyo. Are you suggesting that Chicago has great nightlife? Most restaurants are close up at around 10 p.m. There are less and less late licenses every year and less bars and taverns in general all the time. It may not be Minneapolis, but it certainly isn't New York.

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I don't really know anybody that does that. Do you? I'm guessing most inhabitants of NYC, Tokyo, Paris, and Rome don't either.

The conversation started opposite of that - with Bernstine stating how Chicago isn't one.

Unless the US only has one city that meets.....anybody's......definition, then Chicago probably is one. Is there another that is in line ahead of Chicago? A case could be made for San Fran, but that's about it.

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My primary question is this: if you were an international tourist, why would you come to Chicago? Especially before NYC, Frisco, DC, New Orleans or Miami?

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Anybody that's a "booster" for the city says it. Daley was like a fuckin' doll with a pull-string and "Chicago is a world class city" was one of the five things he said. I've heard Emanuel say it plenty too. When they were trying to get the Olympics, it seemed like I heard or read it every five minutes. Somehow, I don't think New Yorkers really feel the need to say that. When Arab terrorists fly planes into the Hancock, that's when you'll know we're world class.

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Is great nightlife really a descriptor of a "world class city'"? JORR thinks Cancun, Vegas, Lake Havasu, and the infield at the Kentucky Derby are world class cities.

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....aaaand that where our conversation ends.

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I don't think international tourists come from around the world to go to one singular city in the US aside from Vegas or Orlando.

I assume most do multi-city tours which always include NYC and a California city, and probably Chicago and another stop or two in between (DC).

Why would any international tourist visit Miami? Europeans/Asians have better beach destinations much closer to home.

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It's certainly one of the things that makes a city world class. New Orleans has great nightlife but it lacks other things that I would say are necessary. In a different era, it most definitely was world class. Now, it's a special place, its own thing. I would put Montreal in that category too. Toronto and Chicago are just less than world class cities. Los Angeles isn't a city at all. Miami is a place that may be on the verge of becoming world class as it diversifies from a drug economy. But I might suggest that the only three truly world class cities in North America are New York, San Francisco, and Mexico City.

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My question still stands, why come here?

If I'm from Indy or Des Moines and have short pockets, I get it, but with options, I'd never consider Chicago a city I'd actually yearn to visit.

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I'd say the same reason people visit any urban area. Why does anybody visit any large urban area?

No place in America has the ancient architecture/cultural spots, we are too young. Most urban areas don't have nice beaches and "perfect" weather.


People visit cities to do city things: museums, dining, architecture, scenery, cultural events, etc.

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I feel legitimately sorry for anyone who feels that way about New York pizza. There's a void in that man's life.

He's also completely wrong about Pennsylvania. There's not a single person outside of greater Philadelphia who's ever eaten scrapple.

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I've not been able to find New York pizza here in Chicagoland (not counting whatever Pizza Hut calls New York pizza) but I cannot imagine anything surpassing Malnati's thin crust. I want to try Detroit-style pizza, though. It looks interesting!

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Collinsville, Illinois.

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The ketchup bottle?

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I had Buddy's Pizza a few years ago, when I was in Detroit to see my 'Skins. Was not impressed at all. I would say NY > Chicago > Detroit > every other style on earth > Cleveland

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That's a great attraction as well. Collinsville truly is a world class city. It even has one of the few Jack-In-The-Boxes east of the Mississippi. But I was really talking about the mounds. Those things are as important as the pyramids and people drive right by them without even thinking about it. I have a friend who grew up in Granite City who used to sled down Monk's Mound when he was a kid. Nobody thought it was a significant place. They bulldozed one of the smaller mounds to put in a grocery store. That would be like knocking down Cheops to build a Wal-Mart.

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