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But I think Vegan is saying that Bernstein is literally FOR concussions. Like the more the merrier, as long as its no one he knows.


He was trying to draw a distinction between clean and dirty play. My point is, I don't think the brain really cares if it got crushed by a dirty hit from Brandon Meriweather or a clean one from Charles Tillman. And we know- because bernstein never stops telling us- that the mere act of playing professional football is going to result in a fucked up brain. So really, what difference does it make? Let them hit each other with hammers.

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But I think Vegan is saying that Bernstein is literally FOR concussions. Like the more the merrier, as long as its no one he knows.
That is one way to phrase it but I think it's more that he doesn't want the game ruined by rules designed to get rid of them completely. That game would pretty much suck.

He just realizes how bad it is for the participants and doesn't want people he knows playing it. You could swap out coal mining for football and most of us would probably feel the same way.

The thing that always gets me is how he has let his kid get involved in hockey. That will have to stop abruptly at some point.

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I agree with JORR on Bernsteins inconsistencies. But my main problem is I don't believe Bernstein can take the moral stances he does while maintaining that he wants to see people continuing to hurt themselves irreversibly just so he can be amused. These positions cannot belong within the same moral paradigm.

BRick, I think this is different than simply not wanting your kids or loved ones to partake in said dangerous activity. If you really care about humanity like Bernstein claims to do, then you shouldn't want anyone to contract CTE as a result of football. Bernstein goes beyond the simple just not wanting it for certain people by actively encouraging its perpetuation for his amusement.

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One of the main things I came away from yesterday's show with was the fact that bernstein doesn't not mind players becoming brain damaged in football as long as the damage is the result of good, clean hits.


it's been more than that. Football players necessarily need to become brain damaged so Bernstein can be sure to enjoy his Sundays. Oh and those players cannot be his kids, or the kids of anyone he knows and likes. This isn't hyperbole.

I wonder if Lil Danny has made their their trained seal, errrr witty raconteur Martellus Bennett aware of his stance on that.


That's a good point. Or have him listen in when he mocks brain damaged football players.

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BRick, I think this is different than simply not wanting your kids or loved ones to partake in said dangerous activity. If you really care about humanity like Bernstein claims to do, then you shouldn't want anyone to contract CTE as a result of football. Bernstein goes beyond the simple just not wanting it for certain people by actively encouraging its perpetuation for his amusement.
Hasn't he basically said you are a bad parent if you let your kids play football though?

His stance seems to be that he wants the NFL to stay the same, but he wants youth football to barely exist. Sounds like a good compromise to me!

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But I think Vegan is saying that Bernstein is literally FOR concussions. Like the more the merrier, as long as its no one he knows.
That is one way to phrase it but I think it's more that he doesn't want the game ruined by rules designed to get rid of them completely. That game would pretty much suck.

He just realizes how bad it is for the participants and doesn't want people he knows playing it. You could swap out coal mining for football and most of us would probably feel the same way.

The thing that always gets me is how he has let his kid get involved in hockey. That will have to stop abruptly at some point.


The whole idea of worker's compensation is based on the acknowledgement that pretty much every industrial job is inherently dangerous and that society is willing to trade the individual loss for the greater good as long as the individual is somewhat compensated for his loss. Read the law sometime. Individual body parts are attributed a dollar value. In a 2012 amendment to the legislation, Rick's genitals were appraised at $.50 after efforts from the strong Rick's Wife lobby.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
But I think Vegan is saying that Bernstein is literally FOR concussions. Like the more the merrier, as long as its no one he knows.
That is one way to phrase it but I think it's more that he doesn't want the game ruined by rules designed to get rid of them completely. That game would pretty much suck.

He just realizes how bad it is for the participants and doesn't want people he knows playing it. You could swap out coal mining for football and most of us would probably feel the same way.

The thing that always gets me is how he has let his kid get involved in hockey. That will have to stop abruptly at some point.



He has already couched this. He mentioned last week I think that when the time comes for check level hockey he will be okay because his kid eventually rather be a goalie. Ugh. He is so full of contradictions. Don't get me started on his comment that he would never let his child have a military career.

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I'm sure this has been brought up several times before but is there really any difference between the Redskin and the Fighting Irishman other than the group it is representing? If that is true is that really an acceptable method to determine what is proper?

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He mentioned last week I think that when the time comes for check level hockey he will be okay because his kid eventually rather be a goalie.


Does getting hit in the face with pucks traveling 110 MPH cause CTE?

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He mentioned last week I think that when the time comes for check level hockey he will be okay because his kid eventually rather be a goalie.


Does getting hit in the face with pucks traveling 110 MPH cause CTE?

Nah, look at Tony Esposito in those Binny's spots. Sharp as a marble.

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He mentioned last week I think that when the time comes for check level hockey he will be okay because his kid eventually rather be a goalie.


Does getting hit in the face with pucks traveling 110 MPH cause CTE?


:lol: He actually said a different type of hit which blah blah does not.

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I'm sure this has been brought up several times before but is there really any difference between the Redskin and the Fighting Irishman other than the group it is representing? If that is true is that really an acceptable method to determine what is proper?


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The whole idea of worker's compensation is based on the acknowledgement that pretty much every industrial job is inherently dangerous and that society is willing to trade the individual loss for the greater good as long as the individual is somewhat compensated for his loss. Read the law sometime. Individual body parts are attributed a dollar value. In a 2012 amendment to the legislation, Rick's genitals were appraised at $.50 after efforts from the strong Rick's Wife lobby.
Wow. I must have gotten better!

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I'm sure this has been brought up several times before but is there really any difference between the Redskin and the Fighting Irishman other than the group it is representing? If that is true is that really an acceptable method to determine what is proper?


The Irish are too drunk to care.


They are too busy fighting each other in the bar to fight the man.

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If you had the Brooklyn J ews and a mascot with a black hat and big nose, that would be fine, right? The Black Men? A-rabs? It's meant to be an honor!!

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good dolphin wrote:
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I'm sure this has been brought up several times before but is there really any difference between the Redskin and the Fighting Irishman other than the group it is representing? If that is true is that really an acceptable method to determine what is proper?


The Irish are too drunk to care.


They are too busy fighting each other in the bar to fight the man.

And then they SING IT OUT together with their opponents


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His stance seems to be that he wants the NFL to stay the same, but he wants youth football to barely exist. Sounds like a good compromise to me!


Not impossible. All you have to do is have all potential dong-whippers play basketball until age 20 then strap some pads on them.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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I'm sure this has been brought up several times before but is there really any difference between the Redskin and the Fighting Irishman other than the group it is representing? If that is true is that really an acceptable method to determine what is proper?


The Irish are too drunk to care.



I'm stone cold sober.

I couldn't give a shit anyway.

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If you had the Brooklyn J ews and a mascot with a black hat and big nose, that would be fine, right? The Black Men? A-rabs? It's meant to be an honor!!


That is my point. The fighting Irish IS the same as redskin. The goofy friar swinging the baseball bat IS the same as chief wahoo. The difference is who is the object of the caricature. It public derision really seems based on whether your group cares or not.

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If you had the Brooklyn J ews and a mascot with a black hat and big nose, that would be fine, right? The Black Men? A-rabs? It's meant to be an honor!!


That is my point. The fighting Irish IS the same as redskin. The goofy friar swinging the baseball bat IS the same as chief wahoo. The difference is who is the object of the caricature. It public derision really seems based on whether your group cares or not.



But that's not exactly right either. There are no Illini around to care about the Chief.

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the Irish mascot should be a gaunt, toothless, readhead smoking a burrito.

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good dolphin wrote:
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If you had the Brooklyn J ews and a mascot with a black hat and big nose, that would be fine, right? The Black Men? A-rabs? It's meant to be an honor!!


That is my point. The fighting Irish IS the same as redskin. The goofy friar swinging the baseball bat IS the same as chief wahoo. The difference is who is the object of the caricature. It public derision really seems based on whether your group cares or not.


Interesting statement.

http://deadspin.com/redskins-a-natives-guide-to-debating-an-inglorious-1445909360

The vast majority of Native people do not sit around wishing the Redskins would change their name. Most don't care about this topic. Some do. Some actually like the name. Either way, there's no consensus at all.

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I'll sign off on a Washington Redskins name change but they have to give us the Washington Bullets back.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Hatchetman wrote:
If you had the Brooklyn J ews and a mascot with a black hat and big nose, that would be fine, right? The Black Men? A-rabs? It's meant to be an honor!!


That is my point. The fighting Irish IS the same as redskin. The goofy friar swinging the baseball bat IS the same as chief wahoo. The difference is who is the object of the caricature. It public derision really seems based on whether your group cares or not.



But that's not exactly right either. There are no Illini around to care about the Chief.

I miss the Pekin Chinks!

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Never heard of this one.

Tempers still flaring on this one apparently - Bob Brown has some fire -

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Pekin has another claim to fame, however. Until 1981 it had a high school athletic team called the Chinks and a roller skating arena called the Chink Rink. The decision to change the team name to the Pekin Dragons is still remembered bitterly by certain residents, as shown by this apparently genuine email sent to a liberal website:

"I graduated from Pekin Community High School in 1960. I was also voted by the student body to be the mascot 'Chink'. It was a great honor and still is to me today. Another girl in my class was voted 'Chinklette.' We wore Chinese costumes and greeted cheerleaders from the opposing team in the middle of the basketball floor before each home game. It was a gesture of a welcome and good sportmanship. I'm still upset today that the school buckled under and changed the name to Dragons in 1981. It was the result of pointy headed pablum sucking liberals who run the polictical correctness gestopo in this country. I do detest them so much. I am attending my 45th high school class reunion this weekend in God's little acre called Pekin, IL and I will proudly wear my PEKIN CHINKS shirt. Liberal and their pathetic ilk can go to Hell!!
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Never heard of this one.


You've never heard of this ? I though you were a proud native son of The Rest of Illinois?

I was in Pekin in the late 90's. There were vestiges of Chinks memorabilia in bars, drugstores, etc.

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You've never heard of this ? I though you were a proud native son of The Rest of Illinois?


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Sure! I know all about that.


(I can't always remember my backstory around here.)

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The thing that always gets me is how he has let his kid get involved in hockey. That will have to stop abruptly at some point.


This makes no sense. They fall and collide all the time at the younger levels. I know of at least 2 kids that had concussions last year and I'd bet there were more.


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So we've established bernstein's philosophy:

Player's brain turned to mush by a good clean hit = great Sunday entertainment

Player's brain turned to mush by a Brandon Meriweather cheapshot = a tragic event

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If you had the Brooklyn J ews and a mascot with a black hat and big nose, that would be fine, right? The Black Men? A-rabs? It's meant to be an honor!!


That is my point. The fighting Irish IS the same as redskin. The goofy friar swinging the baseball bat IS the same as chief wahoo. The difference is who is the object of the caricature. It public derision really seems based on whether your group cares or not.
I don't agree that they're the same at all. Fighting Irish, or Fighting Illini for that matter isn't really an insult (although I could see why their mascots come under a bit more scrutiny). I truly find it hard to believe that so many people on this board don't view the term Redskin as a slur.

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They'll end up calling the team the 'Skins". Just do it now and get this over with. The talk about it is the only thing worse than the name to begin with.

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