Right now I'm singing along with "God Bless America" while watching a true American sport.

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Can't wait to use this logic in June when the NBA Finals smash whatever crummy baseball game is on at the time. That will prove that the NBA is ahead of MLB.


You have to deny that football is even a sport just to pretend baseball is more important. Just think about the absurdity of that

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The Home Run Derby drew higher ratings than any NBA playoff game on ESPN

More people watched Yoenis Cespedes win the Home Run Derby than LeBron James in the NBA playoffs

Popularity doesn't always have a strong correlation with value, a fact that has been proven endlessly throughout time. "Two and a Half Men" outdraws shows like "Parks and Recreation." Nickelback sells more albums than your favorite critically-acclaimed rock band. But even knowing this, data showing the Home Run Derby was watched by more people than any NBA playoff game shown this year on ESPN is still enough to make you do a double-take.Does middle America really love Chris Berman's 'back-back-back' shtick? Were party people around the country glued to their televisions after Pitbull's decidedly hyped-up pregame show? Whatever the case, 6.7 million people watched the MLB's Home Run Derby this year, according to Sports Media Watch. That's more than any of the 17 games NBA playoffs games shown on ESPN in 2013.It's curious for a few reasons. For one, some of those NBA playoffs were pretty great. Bulls-Heat Game 2 in the Eastern Conference semifinals. Game 3 of the Spurs vs. Warriorsseries in the West semifinals. The Spurs' NBA Finals-clinching Game 4 win over the Grizzlies. All of those (and plenty more) were outdrawn by what is essentially televised batting practice narrated by the irritable force that is Berman.So, maybe baseball isn't losing its grasp as America's pastime after all?

He finally admits it. People like baseball because it is a fun way to spend time outside in the summer!

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Shocked it is even a discussion.

Biggest MLB game of the year, just beats an average or below average NFL matchup.

Throw a really good Sunday night game, Denv v Seatlle, or Sf v Seattle, NO v GB and the ratings will beat the world series.

And thats with Cris Collinsworth doing the game and people still watch!

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There are myriad reasons why each sports draws the live and television audience it does. You're the guy that likes to compare the two as if it were apples to apples.

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You do too, as is obvious by everything you've ever said about the topic.

You can't compare them! Here is why baseball is better! Baseball fans are smart and football fans are stupid!

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You're crossing several different conversations here. I think baseball is better and I can spend all day telling you why. But as, RPB's post above should show you, TV ratings really aren't the last word on popularity, since even I don't believe that the Home Run Derby is more "popular" than the NBA Finals.

And I don't really think all football fans are stupid, but football is a simple game. It's guys smashing into each other while other guys run real fast. In the time in which we're living, attention spans are short. People are dumber and more opinionated than ever. For similar reasons MMA has replaced boxing as a TV show. It's just easier to consider two roided-up goofs trying to decapitate each other in a barrroom style brawl than it is to learn all the nuances of boxing.

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It wasn't the NBA Finals. It was the other playoff games on ESPN. It didn't even include TNT which is a superior product. You still need to compare it with a larger sample size and with similar things. However, I'm not going to, as I do think that baseball is still more popular than basketball though that will likely change too.
You overrate how complex baseball is. There is a reason why it is the sport that can rely on computer modeling more than anything else. My guess is that if you or me were asked to coach the White Sox for a day we could. I doubt anyone on this board could step in and coach the Bears for even a day. The coaching and gameplanning is so much more complex in football because there is a lot more going on.

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No, it's because there are more factors a coach can affect. That speaks to its simplicity rather than its complexity.

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I have no idea what that means. Requiring more coaching and game planning means it is more simple? Well then, I guess marathons are the most complex sports in the world!

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The parts of a baseball game are much smaller and more intricate. You and I would have no idea how to have a pitcher make one tiny adjustment in his delivery, and even if we did, we might not be able to explain it to him, if we were able to explain it, he'd still have to execute it over and over again. And that's just a single tiny aspect of the game.

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That exists in all sports. You don't think football coaches aren't doing the same thing for the players under their control?

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I don't think it's nearly as complex. It's roided-up dummies smashing into each other.

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What a silly thing to say

So do you think the Bears would call up Jim Miller, with no coaching experience, and put him in as the head coach? Because the White Sox basically did that and he's been pretty average.

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Oh come on. You are the last person who should question that statement.

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What does that have to do with anything? I don't think a baseball manager means a damn thing. Of course a football coach is more important. He has to get the roid-raging idiots to stand in the right spots.

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Im not as big on the numbers as some think. I argue for them here but Im not on the level of Bucky Chris in regards to numbers.


I just dont see the logic that computer modeling relates to simplicity.

Football requires an incredible amount of technique. There's also a ton of real time recognition and analysis required by players for each play. I really don't understand where your dummy comment is coming from.

Look, baseball is Bill Murray and football is Jim Belushi

So baseball is complex but the manager doesn't matter and is basically just a babysitter?

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You still think they are quite important and work relatively well. You put those who have used them as a primary source on a pedestal. You can't have it both ways. If you think SABRmetrics is such a quality tool you can't then pretend like it isn't when it makes baseball seem like a game so simple that a computer can model it successfully.
Yes you do. If a computer can meet or exceed an experienced human then the system is less complex than something a computer is incapable of successfully modeling.

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I don't know that the "manager doesn't matter", but there is little difference between one and the next. There are clear and obvious differences between football coaches. It doesn't speak to the respective complexity or simplicity of each game. How complicated can a game be if Devin Hester and Brian Urlacher can excel at it?

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Im not having it both ways. I like the numbers, Im just not on the level that some are.



No, I really dont.

I dont know what you mean meet or exceed an experienced human?


So I guess you think the Stock Market and trading in general is the ultimate in simplicity?


I would tend to think you use computers becasue something is more complicated, not because it's simple.

You just said "I don't think a baseball manager means a damn thing"!

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I don't think there's much difference between one and another with regard to on-field strategy. Leadership is a different issue. But the game is too complicated for a manager's decisions to have the kind of affect that those of a football coach do.

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Or I can say it's incredibly simple that managers don't need to make decisions.

If you wanted to be wrong.

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