I think this is nothing more than a bad diagnosis/prognosis. Everyone is fixated on the initial statement of 4+ weeks, but it is clear the injury wasn't that bad. In fact, I don't know what Trestman means when he says Cutler worked "incredibly hard" to get back so soon. How do you "work" on a torn groin, other than rest?

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I'm in Cutler's corner but give Josh some credit. 2%,really? I might say Cutler's decision making isn't 2% of McCowns from some of the past seasons.

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Trestman said Jay was in the entire bye week getting it worked on, using some special machine or something.

It's impossible to "know." But I would be absolutely shocked if Trestman didn't think Cutler was the better option Sunday. If he didn't, Josh would be playing.


Why would Trestman and the doctors "rush" Cutler back? What would their motive be? If they wanted to hold him out an extra week for precautionary reasons, they could.

Interesting euphemism for Kristin's vajayjay

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Rick and Nas, I don't understand. So, the doctor says Jay is 100%. Trestman says he wants Jay to start. So, you feel Jay should say "no, I think I'll sit this one out"? Because I think in that scenario, you would both do a 180 and follow the other long-standing Cutler narrative.

Or, why not stake a claim that you think McCown is just a better QB than Cutler? Nothing wrong with that. Time will tell if it's true.

If you're looking for answers to your question I would suggest reading this thread and probably the Packers game thread. There would be no 180 on Cutler considering he was supposed to miss at least 4 weeks. There is nothing else I can offer you.

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BTW next time try to read a few posts before commenting. I've said in this thread and others that McCown doesn't have 2% of Cutler's talent. That should answer your question about who is better.

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But I'm saying, the same doctor that said 4 weeks, is now saying he's 100%. Maybe you don't trust the doctor, and I'm not sure I do either. But, if the doctor says so, and Trestman says so, what is ol' Cutty supposed to do?

I just get the feeling that the pretext here is that people just think McCown is better than Cutler. Just like they thought Orton was better than Cutler, and just like they thought Walsh was better than Kramer many years ago. People like ball control guys better than the gamblers with the big arm. But for some reason this time, people aren't saying it, and instead they're blaming Cutler for following orders from the doctor and the coach. Which is bizarre because he also would be called out for wussing out if he didn't start despite being cleared.

Right but that doesn't mean McCown isn't better. That's the whole debate over Cutler for his entire career. Tons of talent but not very good at game-time.

Here's your own quote:

well, if Cutler vetoed bringing in Bulger to be his backup when Martz came in as Offensive coordinator, then he's more concerned about his own job security than the good of the franchise.

Cutler starts, and you pull him for either an aggravation to his recent injury or due to poor performance and it blows up in Trestman's face.

Right. This is completely on Trestman and the doctor. If Cutler isn't 100%, then they got played, and they are paid to be way smarter than that.

This is a game the Bears need to win. I believe Cutler is rushing back even though he isn't healthy. I don't trust the doctors. They will clear anyone. We'll find out Sunday if he's healthy or not. If not he could hurt the Bears playoff chances and best lost for the rest of the season if he reinjures himself. It's not worth the risk.

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Well that could all be true. But it presupposes that Cutler essentially bullied (insert timely joke) Trestman and the doctor into clearing him and starting him. If that's true, that's a big problem.

Here's a narrative I've heard a few times regarding this situation:

"This is Cutler's team. He's more talented than McCown. But in this offense, you don't really need the gunslinger with the big arm"

O.K......so what's the point here?

Isn't the question "Is Cutler the right guy for this offense going forward"?

Right. If Cutler is cleared, and Trestman starts McCown, that means Cutler is benched. If Cutler really isn't ready, then Coach and the doctor really needed to get on the same page and not have him cleared.




You always need that. If the Bears are playing on a cold night the first weekend of January against a San Francisco or a Detroit or a Carolina, or worse, going to a Seattle or a Green Bay, I gotta have a Big Gun slinging the rock. I have never been a fan of the Steve Walsh's and Kyle Orton's and Brian Griese's of the world. I want the Big Gun in there, and if the Big Gun doesn't get it done, I want to find another Big Gun.

That narrative guy needs to use better punctuation.

I love gunslingers. I'm not sure if you were around for my Grossman love. Cutler lost me last season.

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Crazy that not too long ago people were calling Cutler a pussy for not playing in a playoff game when he was hurt. Now people are bitching that he wants to come back and play following an injury.

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Yep, and I was with you on that. I had no use for Brian Griese during the Superbowl year, and I didn't like Lovie benching Grossman the following year after a 1-2 start.

I agree, I was disappointed in Cutler's second half last year.

Where is this story coming from? And who thinks the starting QB of any team has veto power over who his backup is? Again, if this was in any sort of way true, the fault is 100000% on the GM and not Cutler. Misplaced hate all over this thread.

That's a very fair and reasonable question that should be discussed. That's just not the issue here. The issue in this thread is some people are blaming Cutler for being medically cleared, deemed 100% and wanting to play. Somehow he's the villain in this situation, which I can't at all be surprised about at this point... but somehow I am.

He's not a villian. He's coming back from what was at least a 4 week injury in 3 weeks possibly because he feels pressure to do so. He is in a contract year and his back up has come in and run the offense more efficiently and with less mistakes. If he reaggeravates the injury or stinks it up they are going to be in a world of shit. There is really no reason to rush him back as McCown is doing an adequate job. If McNown were to suck today, nobody would say anything, and you can go back to Cutler next week.

This game is important because it is divisional, however there are 3 teams sitting at 5-3. It wouldn't be the end of the world.

This is really kind of dopey. I trust that Trestman would not play him if he wasn't about perfect physically. Trestman is analytical and would somehow explain to Cutler that he cannot go if he thought.

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You are projecting him "feeling like he needs to come back." If he is coming back too early, it's the job of the doctors and coach to stop him. Period.


And I would venture to bet, he doesn't at feel like he needs to rush back. He's in a contract year, and will be the best QB available in the last few years other than Peyton. He'll get a big contract, whether it's with the Bears or not. In his first five games this year, he had the 3rd best QBR in the league. That's enough to get him paid very very well.

Exactly! The insinuation is that Trestman is too dumb to realize Cutler isn't healthy. Like somehow Jay tricked him during the workouts and practices.


Anything else would mean that Trestman is intentionally not giving the Bears the best chance to win the game.

And that isn't him at all Chris.

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For sure. By all accounts, he is as competitive as a person as there is. If he felt Josh gave them a better chance to win today, he'd be starting.

The story was out there when Martz got here. I would agree it is the GM's fault BUT it does say a lot about your QB when he does not want anyone around him who may be competent.

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