NAS I'm on that wagon for Grossman so you won't be saying I told you so to me. He is the best we have and as long as he stops making his stupid mistakes I can live with aggressive ones.

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OK, but how do you feel about the "I fumble snaps because my tiny hands start shaking uncontrollably at the sight of the large black men standing on the opposite side of the ball from me." mistakes?

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Yeah thats ridiculous, but like I said as long as he stops making stupid mistakes. Maybe they should have Briggs play MLB in practice for him to get used to this.

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I can find statistics that say that Steve Young is better than Joe Montana, does it make it true? Watch the games, Rex is brutal. Maybe he will be a quality QB in 2008 or 2009, but the Bears chance is now. I have not criticsized Rex a lot on here, but I am tired of hearing about it. Right or wrong, he is becoming a distraction and if he continues to make mistakes, I am afraid that he may lose his teamates. He has to have a short lesh or the fans will never forgive him or Lovie. I counted 8 QBs on that list that I would trade right now for Rex.

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Not once did I say that the list indicates that Rex Grossman is a better QB- all I said was that he didn't have an unusually large number of fumbles for his position last year, even amongst the better starters in the league. One wouldn't expect a huge increase in fumbles from last year to this year, and I can survive with the league average in fumbles from the QB position.

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Bulger, Delhomme, Favre (even now), Garcia, Kitna (yes Jon Kitna), Palmer, McNair, and Pennington would all put the Bears in a better position to win this year. Rex makes too many mistakes at critical points.

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Smart guy, I bet I watched more games than you did last year. But, I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you. Look at what Garcia did last year with the Eagles. Give any of those guys the Bears line (when healthy) and a decent running game (which as of last year the bears had, jury for 07 is still out) and they win the Super Bowl. Kitna plays for the Lions, Favre plays with a team that could not compete in the Chicago Catholic League, and Delhomme does not have much of a running game to speak of. Pennington played last year with second rate running backs. Go back and look at what he did when Curtis Martin was healthy and a top of the line running back. My point is not that these guys are all headed for Canton. They are not, they just would hold down the fort (like Trent Dilfer for the Ravens and Brad Johnson for the Bucs). Rex makes mistakes that cost games--did you catch that game in Miami last February? I hope I am wrong, but if Grossman plays as inconsistently as he did last year, the Bears will fall flat on their face and Rex will make Steve Bartman look popular and the Lovie love that is around these parts will be gone, and rightfully so. If it looks like a duck, acts like a duck.....it is a duck.

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How many of the fumbles on that list occurred during the exchange from center to QB and how many were based on the fact that the offensive line sucked, the team sucked and they were throwing the ball the entire 2nd half of the game with opposing team D lines focusing on nothing but "get the QB"....
the Bears have one of the best offensive lines in the NFL, Rex was well protected....27 turnovers is alot when all things are considered.

#s are great but they're LAST YEAR'S #s, they don't mean shit this year. Ask the last few teams that lost a Super Bowl how much their previous year's record counted the next year.

I'm not saying that Rex is the worst QB in the league. He's average, that's all.

I kind of get the same way though, really.

OH NO HE DIDN'T

Why would he stop now? He's been doing this throught his NFL career.

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cuz nas wants him too

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Before the ankle injury there was not much to draw upon as a trend.
His last game that mattered was not so good and his last regular season game was also not so good. How can we have a QB that gets distracted by crowd noise? Wet hands??! NEW YEAR'S EVE? His head isn't in the game, he looks a bit scared, and Nas, he's shown nothing to justify your boner for him.

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One of the best Bears QB in history threw 20 int? How many fumbles? Where was this greatest QB during the Superbowl?
Potential. I saw potential in Mark Prior too. Who cares how big the tank is when it's never full?

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tall midget award?

the best? or one of the best?

if he is THE best then the bears qb's throughout history are way worse than i thought. kitna is better overall as a qb right now

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not everything should bs based on stats, rex is easily the most immature starting qb in the league right now. He posesses alot of talent but he does not have the mental ability to conduct himself in pressure situations.

Also you completely over rate the lions offensive system. Besides Roy Williams, last year they did not have very many weapons

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And you are assuming he's a "great" after a similarly small sample size.


I'm not. I'm saying that the blind love of an average at best QB is, in my opinion, premature, and in poor judgement.



I hope to hell he succeeds. He's just not "one of the greatest." We gotta keep this guy in perspective. The greats don't throw 20 ints, even if 16 came in 5 games (which demonstrates to me, by the way, that if the D can "get to him", they've "got" him for the game, that in and of itself is a telling stat).

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???
That's crazy talk.

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Kitna Qb rating 79.9
rex - 73.9

despite nas's claims they have a similar offensive weapons around them. Roy is better than any bears WR, but TJ was very consistent running and the bears had enough receiving weapons last year to be more than adequate. Not too mention the bears line was way better

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Really?
Then why is that silvery football trophy at the RCA dome instead of Soldiers?

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Kevin Jones was averaging 3,8 YPC last year and they traded their best DB for Bell cuz Jones couldnt cut it. SO thats inaccurate

Furrey averaged 11.1 yards per catch and only 6 TDs in 98 receptions. Not indicative of a playmaker.

If you cant see Rex cant handle himself in pressure situations, then you are watching with rose colored glasses. He has absolutely no mental composure and im certainly not the only one to say this

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Rex has done little to combat this impression of his play. If it isn't true, he's not helping himself prove it wrong.

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Technical would include the Lombardi.

Seriously, I don't hate on Rex, but like I said earlier he ain't on my FFL radar, and that does not help him become "one of the greatest". Granted, the Bears have little to show off historically at the QB position.

You really want 10k to be a Grossman ass rub?

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doesnt make it wrong. If everybody has similar observations.. you dont think it might be YOU that should reconsider?

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I didnt know we considered that "championships" So I guess I can start saying Favre won 2 championships and the Bills won 4 in a row

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Dere is only one all powerful being dat can exorcise da demon dat has put da hex on Rex and turned his hands to jackhammers.

Let us bow our heads in prayer my friends and call to da almighty COACH to perform da exorcism. One wag o dat finger and Satan is gonna be runnin for cover ratter den da gripless Grossman.

"Even last year he played better when he knew his job was on the line. Maybe that's what he needs to stay focused?"

I'm trying to stay out of these types of discussions until the regular season, but if he requires his job to be on the line to stay mentally in the game then Griese needs to be the starter in the next game and for the rest of the season.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

What did Grossman win at the collegiate level? He was second as a soph in the Heisman voting (so was Brad Banks and where is he?), won an Orange Bowl and an Outback Bowl. OK, he won the NFC now. I still don't see a national title or Super Bowl title on the resume.

Nas that was your word for word comment. The orange bowl in no way is a championship. So Rex has actually not won a championship on the college level or the nfl level. he probably did in HS but i wouldnt be surprised if he didnt either. So 1 out of 3 levels is not really the same as EVERY level

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