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Letting the parents here speak on this one, but I am looking at my nephews class list. Name of Kid, Address, Parents names and ALLERGIES for each kid! Holy Shit! There isnt a healthy kid in the class! 18 of them have Epi pens in the Nurses office, shellfish,peanuts, chocolate, wheat, cheese, etc etc. Every kid has a list of stuff they cant have or "They will die" OMG!

I personally never even saw an Epi pen until 5 or 6 years ago!

When did they plastic bubble get lifted on todays kids?

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That stuff is supposed to be sort of confidential. Surprised they hand it out to parents.

Our school is now peanut/tree nut free, which I find kind of annoying. As a kid all I ate was peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.

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if they banned school lunch and forced parents to feed their kids we wouldnt have these problems. school lunches are socialist anyway

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My son is allergy central the worst and most dire being peanuts. I pooh poohed a lot of that crap too but when you see the reaction to the tests at the Dr's office and what would probably happen if he ever ingests anything along those lines its pretty sobering . I would assume daycare / schools have to extra vigilant because of the danger plus litigation issues should something happen while they were there, hence the labels. As far as why so many kids have these allergies nowadays? Obama.

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There is something weird going on. Human genetics don't change over 20-30 years, so it has to be environmental. Can't say yeah well allergies existed, "we just didn't know about it".....kids weren't dying right and left. Never heard of a food allergy until I was in college.

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There is something weird going on. Human genetics don't change over 20-30 years, so it has to be environmental. Can't say yeah well allergies existed, "we just didn't know about it".....kids weren't dying right and left. Never heard of a food allergy until I was in college.


I don't know enough about the numbers, although I'm sure they're easily available online. I would guess you are correct, but maybe part of it is that we viewed things differently in the past as well. Are there really more food allergies now or just more diagnoses? I don't know.

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Our school is now peanut/tree nut free, which I find kind of annoying. As a kid all I ate was peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.


My three year old loves PB and J sandwiches, and crackers and peanut butter, but I can't put them in his snack bag.

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Sunflowerseed butter is kind of close to peanut butter. Give that a try. I like it, but my kids don't. They are super fussy though.

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There is something weird going on. Human genetics don't change over 20-30 years, so it has to be environmental. Can't say yeah well allergies existed, "we just didn't know about it".....kids weren't dying right and left. Never heard of a food allergy until I was in college.


I don't know enough about the numbers, although I'm sure they're easily available online. I would guess you are correct, but maybe part of it is that we viewed things differently in the past as well. Are there really more food allergies now or just more diagnoses? I don't know.

This article goes into some theories but offers no definitive answers. (I didn't include the entire article due to its length)
Why are food allergies on the rise?
By Elizabeth Landau, CNN
It seems like more and more children in the U.S. are developing food allergies, and there's data to back that up. The number of kids with food allergies went up 18 percent from 1997 to 2007, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. About 3 million children younger than 18 had a food or digestive allergy in 2007, the CDC said.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/08/03/food.allergies.er.gut/index.html

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My theories are varied on this.

Modified genetics in food
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Parents keeping kids away from said food for too long

I think that stuff all combines into the allergies. Also I would hazard that most of the kids might not need the epi pens but it is a good money maker/CYA step for the medical industry.

I gave my son peanuts and seafood as soon as he could eat real food. Sink or swim junior.

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My theories are varied on this.

Modified genetics in food
Over diagnosis
Parents keeping kids away from said food for too long

I think that stuff all combines into the allergies. Also I would hazard that most of the kids might not need the epi pens but it is a good money maker/CYA step for the medical industry.

I gave my son peanuts and seafood as soon as he could eat real food. Sink or swim junior.

We did this too. Here, you are not allowed to bake cupcakes for school, you have to bring in a prepackaged treat for parties/birthdays. The allergy issue is so ubiquitous here that my daughter thinks that if she doesn't like a food she is allergic to it. She doesn't know what it means but that's the association.
At my younger kids' preschool, it is a fragrance free, & nut free facility because they have kids allergic to scent and peanuts. My kids never eat lunch there because all they eat is peanut butter.

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this article is long but kind of interesting.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/8624.php

From what I understand allergies are an immune response to protect your body. Sometimes the body confuses the proteins are in fruits and veggies with what they are allergic to. We have a friend that is allergic to ragweed and can't eat melons or bananas because their body treats it like ragweed.

I think it's a combination of the chemicals in food and water, food modification, and processed food. In the last 50 years and especially the last 20 the food supply has changed drastically and I don't think our bodies know how to handle it.


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We have a friend that is allergic to ragweed and can't eat melons or bananas because their body treats it like ragweed.


My oldest son has the same allergy to ragweed, and about 3-4 years ago had to stop eating bananas as well. Maybe that explains it.

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The allergy issue is so ubiquitous here that my daughter thinks that if she doesn't like a food she is allergic to it.


Yeah. It seems likes it some of both things- an actual rise in allergies along with a new definition of what an allergy is. Take "lactose intolerance", for example. I think to some degree, every single human being is lactose intolerant in that we are not designed to require the milk of our own mothers beyond a certain age and we are certainly not designed to require the milk of another species in any regard at all.

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2013/10/14/2000-reasons-why-gmos-are-safe-to-eat-and-environmentally-sustainable/

2000+ Reasons Why GMOs Are Safe To Eat And Environmentally Sustainable

A popular weapon used by those critical of agricultural biotechnology is to claim that there has been little to no evaluation of the safety of GM crops and there is no scientific consensus on this issue. Those claims are simply not true.

“The science just hasn’t been done.”

- Charles Benbrook, organic researcher, Washington State University.

“There is no credible evidence that GMO foods are safe to eat.”

- David Schubert, Salk Institute of Biological Studies

“[The] research [on GMOs] is scant…. Whether they’re killing us slowly— contributing to long-term, chronic maladies—remains anyone’s guess.”

- Tom Philpott, Mother Jones

“Genetically modified (GM) foods should be a concern for those who suffer from food allergies because they are not tested….”

- Organic Consumers Association

The claim that genetically engineered crops are ‘understudied’—the meme represented in the quotes highlighted above—has become a staple of opponents of crop biotechnology, especially activist journalists. Anti-GMO campaigners, including many organic supporters, assert time and again that genetically modified crops have not been safety tested or that the research done to date on the health or environmental impact of GMOs has “all” been done by the companies that produce the seeds. Therefore, they claim, consumers are taking a ‘leap of faith’ in concluding that they face no harm from consuming foods made with genetically modified ingredients.

That is false.

Every major international science body in the world has reviewed multiple independent studies—in some cases numbering in the hundreds—in coming to the consensus conclusion that GMO crops are as safe or safer than conventional or organic foods. But until now, the magnitude of the research on crop biotechnology has never been cataloged. In response to what they believed was an information gap, a team of Italian scientists summarized 1783 studies about the safety and environmental impacts of GMO foods—a staggering number.

The researchers couldn’t find a single credible example demonstrating that GM foods pose any harm to humans or animals. “The scientific research conducted so far has not detected any significant hazards directly connected with the use of genetically engineered crops,” the scientists concluded.

The research review, published in Critical Reviews in Biotechnology in September, spanned only the last decade—from 2002 to 2012—which represents only about a third of the lifetime of GM technology.

“Our goal was to create a single document where interested people of all levels of expertise can get an overview on what has been done by scientists regarding GE crop safety,” lead researcher Alessandro Nicolia, applied biologist at the University of Perugia, told Real Clear Science. “We tried to give a balanced view informing about what has been debated, the conclusions reached so far, and emerging issues.”

The conclusions are also striking because European governments, Italy in particular, have not been as embracing of genetically modified crops as has North and South America, although the consensus of European scientists has been generally positive.

The Italian review not only compiled independent research on GMOs over the last ten years but also summarizes findings in the different categories of GM research: general literature, environmental impact, safety of consumption and traceability.

The “general literature” category of studies largely reveals the differences between the US, EU and other countries when it comes to regulating GM crops. Due to lack of uniform regulatory practices and the rise of non-scientific rhetoric, Nicolia and his colleagues report, concern about GMOs has been greatly exaggerated.

Environmental impact studies are predominant in the body of GM research, making up 68% of the 1,783 studies. These studies investigated environmental impact on the crop-level, farm-level and landscape-level. Nicolia and his team found “little to no evidence” that GM crops have a negative environmental impact on their surroundings.

One of the fastest growing areas of research is in gene flow, the potential for genes from GM crops to be found—“contaminate” in the parlance of activists—in non-GM crops in neighboring fields. Nicolia and his colleagues report that this has been observed, and scientists have been studying ways to reduce this risk with different strategies such as isolation distances and post-harvest practices. The review notes that gene flow is not unique to GM technology and is commonly seen in wild plants and non-GM crops. While gene flow could certainly benefit from more research, Nicolia and his colleagues suggest, the public’s aversion to field trials discourages many scientists, especially in the EU.

In the food and feeding category, the team found no evidence that approved GMOs introduce any unique allergens or toxins into the food supply. All GM crops are tested against a database of all known allergens before commercialization and any crop found containing new allergens is not approved or marketed.

The researchers also address the safety of transcribed RNA from transgenic DNA. Are scientists fiddling with the ‘natural order’ of life? In fact, humans consume between 0.1 and 1 gram of DNA per day, from both GM and non-GM ingredients. This DNA is generally degraded by food processing, and any surviving DNA is then subsequently degraded in the digestive system. No evidence was found that DNA absorbed through the GI tract could be integrated into human cells—a popular anti-GMO criticism.

These 1783 studies are expected to be merged into the public database known as GENERA (Genetic Engineering Risk Atlas) being built by Biofortified, an independent non-profit website. Officially launched in 2012, GENERA includes peer-reviewed journal articles from different aspects of GM research, including basic genetics, feeding studies, environmental impact and nutritional impact. GENERA has more than 650 studies listed so far, many of which also show up in the new database. When merged, there should be well over 2000 GMO related studies, a sizable percentage—as many as 1000—that have been independently executed by independent scientists.

In short, genetically modified foods are among the most extensively studied scientific subjects in history. This year celebrates the 30th anniversary of GM technology, and the paper’s conclusion is unequivocal: there is no credible evidence that GMOs pose any unique threat to the environment or the public’s health. The reason for the public’s distrust of GMOs lies in psychology, politics and false debates.

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We have a friend that is allergic to ragweed and can't eat melons or bananas because their body treats it like ragweed.


My oldest son has the same allergy to ragweed, and about 3-4 years ago had to stop eating bananas as well. Maybe that explains it.


That's really interesting. I don't know if I'm allergic to ragweed or not. I've never had really bad environmental allergies, although every few years I would have itchy eyes and runny nose at certain times. Nothing I would ever consider worth discussing or medicating. I grew up eating bananas all the time. I never had any problem. Then one time in my early twenties I had a bad reaction at a dinner. I suddenly had a slight tingling in my gums, followed by a low grade stomach ache, and then finally, by breaking out in hives. I had no idea what caused it. When it happened a second time, I somehow figured bananas were the common denominator. I didn't touch a banana for twenty years. I've recently tested eating them again with no problems. Perhaps I've moved beyond that allergy.

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At best it has conflicting results. Not sure who did that one but I'm not going to spend the time to figure it out. At best there is a correlation and at worst there is causation. People don't just have allergies, many live with intolerances.

JORR I was talking with a friend about the same thing yesterday. We came up with it tastes good and a social norm. It's odd that people would reject human breast milk cheese but dig in to stuff from cows in a way.


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humans are omnivores. cow milk is one of the cheapest protein source out there (other than grubs). would you rather eat grass or cheese? cows turn grass (inedible) into milk (edible to most), which is a blessing for us. unfortunately cows can't survive in very hot climates, so those cultures never adapted to drinking cow milk.

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That's really interesting. I don't know if I'm allergic to ragweed or not. I've never had really bad environmental allergies, although every few years I would have itchy eyes and runny nose at certain times. Nothing I would ever consider worth discussing or medicating. I grew up eating bananas all the time. I never had any problem. Then one time in my early twenties I had a bad reaction at a dinner. I suddenly had a slight tingling in my gums, followed by a low grade stomach ache, and then finally, by breaking out in hives. I had no idea what caused it. When it happened a second time, I somehow figured bananas were the common denominator. I didn't touch a banana for twenty years. I've recently tested eating them again with no problems. Perhaps I've moved beyond that allergy.


I think part of the problem is that nobody really understands them. There's different approaches and solutions too. Give more of the allergen in small amounts to build an immunity, fix the immune system, weaken the immune system, wait - as some believe hormones have an influence. Maybe you system was overloaded at the tine. Nobody really knows.


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humans are omnivores. cow milk is one of the cheapest protein source out there (other than grubs). would you rather eat grass or cheese? cows turn grass (inedible) into milk (edible to most), which is a blessing for us. unfortunately cows can't survive in very hot climates, so those cultures never adapted to drinking cow milk.


But you are essentially consuming something meant for a baby cow with a ruminant digestive system. We are mono gastric. And why is it more socially acceptable to drink cows milk over a chimp, elephant, human or whatever? Just a thought...


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My theories are varied on this.

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I think that stuff all combines into the allergies. Also I would hazard that most of the kids might not need the epi pens but it is a good money maker/CYA step for the medical industry.

I gave my son peanuts and seafood as soon as he could eat real food. Sink or swim junior.


100% agree!

Of course there will be kids with allergies to something, no matter what, but every single parent I have known starts out making sure their kids eat apples grown organically in a semi private orchard! (Joking, but hopefully you get the gist!)

My Nephew just doesnt eat much and my sister thinks he is going to starve to death! lol So she lets him eat whatever he wants and he doesnt have any allergies. My Niece, who eats everything she can get her hands on, has a list of things she cant eat and my sister tries to prepare her these special foods that are a food coloring away from Nickolodeon green slop! She hates it, then sneaks as much junk food as she can!

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Never heard of epipens when I was growing up,but also never heard of the wheel or fire.

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Never heard of epipens when I was growing up,but also never heard of the wheel or fire.

Talking about this at the bar saturday night and I said 'never heard of this shit when I was a kid, never saw a kid break out" Bartender says "yeah, they just died and you didnt hear about it"

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Kids that have banned stuff o d on the banned stuff whenever they can in my experience.


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Never heard of epipens when I was growing up,but also never heard of the wheel or fire.

Talking about this at the bar saturday night and I said 'never heard of this shit when I was a kid, never saw a kid break out" Bartender says "yeah, they just died and you didnt hear about it"


That's bullshit. Most of this crap is because of helicopter moms who worry every time her kid belches.

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That's bullshit. Most of this crap is because of helicopter moms who worry every time her kid belches.


I don't think so. Kids have more allergies for what ever reason.


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I agree,but I also believe in "Munchausen by proxy" to some degree in a lot of cases.

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That's bullshit. Most of this crap is because of helicopter moms who worry every time her kid belches.


I don't think so. Kids have more allergies for what ever reason.



Maybe not MOST of this crap, but for sure SOME of this crap.

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I agree,but I also believe in "Munchausen by proxy" to some degree in a lot of cases.
Yup. Lots of parents self diagnosing too without even going to see a doctor or getting a real test.

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