No, it's ironic. We have 2 people who the press painted as sympathetic figures, victimized by racists. Then it turns our that neither were racist really (Incognito was liked very well by his black teammates and Zimmerman stood up for blacks in his neighborhood when they needed help) and as more information comes to light, the "victim" seems less and less innocent and credible. But many bought into the stories the press initially forwarded to the public and judged them harshly.

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Is it ironic or a coincindence that you are against the black person in this situation?

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How many times does a person have to scream the N word in public and leave it on answering machines to be considered a racist?


Also, Zimmerman is a worthless human being and when he gets murdered, the planet will be better off.

You, or anyone else, have not yet explained what Martin really did wrong.

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As I have said a number of times, I don't think Incognito or some of the other teammates can be excused for their behavior. Clearly there were incidents that went well beyond common hazing and punishment whether that means fines or suspensions were/are in order. But I don't think Martin is an innocent victim entirely either. He was guilty of transgressions similar to those Incognito and other teammates took part in AND he violated the sanctity of the locker room AND walked out on his team.

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You can say that he's a smart cat, this was all going on and instead of freaking out he documented it, saved the voice mails, got his stuff in order and then capped it off by getting a medical taken for psych "issues" due to this. Whether Martin participates in the hazing of other players doesn't even matter. Whether he really had psych issues due to the hazing is immaterial.

He will get to leave the NFL, get his big payday and be a lawyer somewhere. He will delivering body shots to evil doers and Incognito will be dead or in jail a short while after he leaves the NFL. He could have punched Incognito but that wouldn't have gotten him a payday.

Dude may be soft and not cut out for the NFL but he's going to get set for life and save his body/mind.

Greg is right and you clearly don't understand the meaning of the word "ironically."

It's a coincidence. Now get on that Muggsy Bogues dunk video.

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Being a racist is not a crime. You may find it repugnant and offensive, but it's not a crime. I'll bet there are here are MANY racists in the NFL, but they have not been recorded saying something racist that was leaked by a teammate to the public, so there is no public outcry about them. Riley Cooper was recorded saying the same word and the public was livid. But he caught 2 more touchdowns yesterday against the Packers, after having caught 3 TD's the week before against Oakland. He had over 100 yards in both as well. So fans in Philadelphia are going to be more inclined to get a Cooper jersey than call for his release these days. He was never suspended from a real game either. They suspended him from a pre-season game just to placate the public.

As far as Zimmerman is concerned, you are wrong. He was described as a very good neighbor who stood up for black neighbors when they were treated unfairly. He was a good guy in his neighborhood, who was just trying to stop burglaries in his neighborhood from continuing. Travon Martin fit the description of someone that had broken into a home there recently, so he followed the kid to make sure he wasn't up to no good. The troubled teen attacked Zimmerman and he killed Martin defending himself. That's how the jury saw it too. The fact that you would advocate murder of another human being is unfortunate.

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Still waiting for an explanation on what Martin did wrong...

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How many times does a person have to scream the N word in public and leave it on answering machines to be considered a racist?




But you just said they werent racist









Yes, advocating the murder of another human being is deplorable. Unless that human being is wearing a hoodie in which case, your only recourse is murder

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Saying Nig_er doesn't necessarily make someone a racist, or a lot of rappers would have to be considered racist. By all accounts coming out of Miami now, Incognito is not a racist.

But lets say for the sake of argument that that's all just an attempt to soften the blow of all this by the Dolphins. Lets say he is a racist. So....that's not a crime. You may not like it. You may disagree with that mindset, but it's just not a crime.

Advocating the murder of another human being (whatever he/she is wearing) is just unacceptable. You obviously bought into the bullshit the press fed the public early on to sway the public into thinking Zimmerman was a bad, racist individual. It just wasn't true.

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I didnt say it was a crime. No one did. You said he wasnt racist. Now you're back peddling.



Zimmerman's obvious racist nature is not why he's a scumbag. That's a separate issue. Trigger happy Wanna be cops who call themselves "Neighborhood Watch Commander" are losers of the highest order and a sincere danger to society.

I don't believe that Incognito is racist. All reports coming out of Miami say his teammates support him and that he was not racist.
I went on to say FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUMENT lets say he was racist....try to keep up.

How do you conclude Zimmerman possessed an "obvious racist nature"? Because the press told you to believe that? He was following someone that fit the description of a burglary suspect who had broke into homes in that area recently. It makes sense that he might want to pay special attention to someone like that. Neighbors say he was anything but racist. He was just a neighborhood watchman, who was attacked by a teenaged that was high, and after getting his nose broken and his head bashed against the pavement had the audacity to defend his own life.

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Oh, ok, so leaving a message calling someone a half n***** or walking into a bar screaming that word doesnt make someone racist?

Is that your stance?



No, just listening to the idiocy of his 911 call



He probably should have let actual police handle it.

Still waiting for an explanation for what Martin did wrong...

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Writing the names of the Bears players on that towel he wanted to intentionally hurt probably wasn't a good idea.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

I'm referencing where you said "Ironically, there was a Martin involved in both cases." That's a coincidence, not irony.

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The only thing that I can see is that he did not file any complaints with the Dolphins. He just up and left and then had his lawyers start going nuts.

With most companies, you need to file a formal complaint with HR and give them a chance to address the complaint (unless you feel like you are in danger or something like that). Martin should have got up from the lunch table, marched to his coach or GM, logged a complaint with them, then left and waited for their response. If their response was not satisfactory, then get the lawyers involved.

That's a fair point.

I guess the counter to that is if he knew that Philbin was in on it. It's tough to tell on your coach in the NFL.

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I thought it was very interesting that Howie Long said he had no idea what Human Resources was until he worked for Fox.

I understand that the NFL is legally a workplace like any other workplace and that if someone wants to start filing lawsuits as if it's just a normal workplace that is his right and he is going to win. However, I think it's pretty disingenuous to fully participate in something that is clearly unlike any normal workplace only to complain whenever it suits one's interests. We all know professional football isn't the same as your office.

GIFSoup

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So we have "he took the abuse for too long before he told anybody".


What an asshole.

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I've taken a total 180 on this. Martin is mentally unstable. Incognito was one of many doing the exact same type of shit, including Martin himself! It appears this behavior was widespread in the locker room and it was sort of a demented game to see who could come up with the most vile/disgusting shit to say. I doubt Martin ever actually feared for his or anyone else's life.

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Steve, remember this exchange the next time you tell a poster that he probably rode the short bus.

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That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Also Aaron Hernandez is innocent.

So, board consensus is there is nothing that Martin did wrong? We haven't come up with anything he didn't do besides:
1) He didn't commit assault.
2) He didn't run to the coach who was encouraging the behavior.
3) He didn't just take it.
4) He shouldn't have sent a picture from the internet.

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In the NFL you can kill someone and come back to your job.
It's a right of passage to get at least one DUI
Your wife mouth off? Beat the shit out of her and find God, all is forgiven.
Oh you're running a dog fighting ring? Go to jail but sign a big money contract after your release.
Get caught on video screaming racial slurs..no problem

Does anyone want to step up and tell me how all this would be OK with their employer and how the NFL is no different than any other job?

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The matter can now be considered truly settled. Da Coach has weighed in on the subject. First, Ditka said that Martin should have just punched Incognito in the mouth if he felt he was being bullied. Then Da Coach said Martin is a big baby and he wouldn't want him on his team. "If I was the coach I wouldn't have either Incognito the bully, or the baby, Martin, on my team. Does that make me right? No. That makes me, me. And I wouldn't stand for that, because you don't do what Martin did and you don't do what Incognito did, period." The words of Ditka......it is right to give praise to Da Coach.

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So still nothing?

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Yes......He did plenty wrong. He not only walked out on his team, but had his attorney snitch on Incognito, which resulted in the team being without 2 of it's 5 starting O-linemen. That almost certainly cost them the Tampa game and will likely cost them more to come. He put himself before the team and violated the sanctity of the locker room. Rather than man-up and handle the situation as he should, he squealed like a schoolyard sissy and ran home to cry to momma. Plus, he did a lot of the same crap he ran away crying about. He's a hypocrite to boot.

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