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http://www.salon.com/2013/11/11/stop_thanking_the_troops_for_me_no_they_dont_protect_our_freedoms/

Stop thanking the troops for me: No, they don’t “protect our freedoms!”

Why is pro sports constantly jamming military fervor down our throats? Their claims are wrong in more ways than one.

JUSTIN DOOLITTLE

The millions of Americans who regularly watch nationally televised NBA games are, by now, familiar with the “NBA Cares” commercials that run quite frequently during the season. The series of promos is meant to illustrate the league’s commitment to serving the community in a variety of ways. One particularly touching example involves a collaboration between the NBA, the V Foundation and St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital; in the spot, several prominent players are shown visiting children stricken with cancer, many of whom look genuinely thrilled to be meeting their heroes. The league deserves credit for encouraging its players to put their fame to good use by bringing some badly needed joy to these children’s lives.

Not all of the “NBA Cares” promos are about serving the least fortunate members of our society, though. The league is determined to show its commitment to both ends of the spectrum of power. In one spot, NBA stars can be seen, not playing board games with children devastated by cancer, but, instead, touting the greatness and indispensability of the most powerful institution in the world, the United States military.

We discover that Brooklyn Nets star Paul Pierce is incredibly grateful, at a deeply personal level, that the men and women of the U.S. military are willing to “protect” him and his country (“I’m so thankful that they are able to do that for me, to make this a safer place for me to live”). Roy Hibbert, starting center for the Indiana Pacers, sees Pierce’s gratitude and raises him in a big way, making the latter’s sentiments seem woefully weak by comparison:

They’re protecting our country, they’re protecting the world, and, you know, obviously we wouldn’t have freedom without them.

This is just an extraordinary sentence. It contains three distinct, factual claims. While the first two are highly debatable, let us suspend consideration of them in order to focus on the third, which is actually an outright falsehood. Not only does Hibbert confidently assert that “we wouldn’t have freedom” were it not for the beneficence of the U.S. military, but that this is “obviously” so.

Freedom has become one of those politically charged terms that means whatever people need it to mean. There is no coherent conception of freedom, though, in which it only exists at the pleasure of the U.S. military. It’s simply a non sequitur. The “freedoms” most Americans think of when they hear the term are enshrined in constitutional and statutory law. They are in no way dependent on the size, scope or even the existence of the U.S. military. If John Lennon’s ghost assumed dictatorial control of the U.S. government tomorrow and, as his first order of business, disbanded the entire military, Americans’ “freedoms” would not suddenly vanish.

Other than military promotion, there is no other conceivable context in which an athlete, officially representing a major professional sports league, would go on television and say something that is so bizarre, explicitly political and manifestly untrue. Whether Roy Hibbert was simply reading something that was handed to him, or expressing his own sentiments, is immaterial. What is problematic, in any case, is that this peculiar, nonexistent connection between “freedom” and the military continues to be perpetuated as an uncontroversial truism, and is met with virtually no resistance, at least within the confines of the mainstream.

The corollary to the claim that our freedom exists only at the pleasure of the military, of course, is that the same military can revoke said freedom if it so desires. Indeed, as Hibbert so bluntly put it, “obviously we wouldn’t have freedom without them.” This widely held belief, that our freedom is bestowed on us by soldiers, has obvious implications for how the public views the military. One such implication of the ubiquity of this myth is that people will feel they owe boundless gratitude to the military as an institution and all the men and women who serve in it.

Often, the spectacle of public gratitude to the troops reaches comically absurd proportions. During the 2013 World Series, Bank of America, that beacon of patriotism and benevolence, sponsored an initiative called “Express Your Thanks.” For each photo, message or video submitted that expressed thanks to the military, the bank donated $1 to nonprofits that support service members, veterans and their families. On the program’s website, several such expressions are highlighted, including, most prominently, a message from Melissa, who, on behalf of her family, offers thanks to the troops for “safeguarding our freedom.”

“Express Your Thanks” received considerable on-air attention during the World Series itself. Before Game 1 at Fenway Park, Red Sox great Carl Yastrzemski threw out the ceremonial first pitch. He was joined on the mound by three veterans, all of whom are Medal of Honor recipients. In an interview with MLB.com after the game, Yastrzemski contrasted the universal gratitude felt toward the military today with an earlier, less seemly time, when our heroes were subjected to an annoying diversity of opinion:

“In ’67, you had a very anti-war thing,” Yastrzemski told MLB.com after bringing the Fenway crowd to a roar. “Not right now where they’re supporting our troops and things of that nature. So it’s very different times.”

The undercurrent of all this is that “support” and “gratitude” for the military and those who serve in it is intrinsically apolitical. It’s just something that all decent Americans understand and respect. This approach serves a very important purpose, which is to further blur the lines between patriotism and support for the military. Americans of conscience who do not “support” the troops, particularly those who volunteer to fight in wars of aggression, are not allowed a seat at the table in this paradigm. Their existence is not even acknowledged, in fact. These are “very different times,” in the words of Yastrzemski, and our society has progressed to the point where such shrill voices are no longer relevant.

Supporting the military, though, and expressing gratitude for what the military is actually doing around the world, are nothing if not explicitly political sentiments. To suggest otherwise is fundamentally dishonest. It reduces sincere dissent on these matters of such tremendous consequence to our culture and our politics to nothingness.

Bank of America provided American flags to each attendee of Game 1 at Fenway Park, and “asked those in attendance to wave the flag during “God Bless America” (before the bottom of the seventh inning) as an expression of thanks to U.S. troops.” It was just assumed that each one of the many thousands of people in Fenway Park that night did, indeed, feel thankful for U.S. troops. After all, who wouldn’t? It is difficult to fathom a quicker path to self-marginalization than to decline participation in such a feverish expression of flag-waving and gratitude.

The combination of unanimous, entirely uncritical appreciation for the military, and the irrational belief that we owe gratitude to the troops for virtually everything we cherish in life, up to and including freedom itself, is very dangerous for our intellectual culture. It stifles any potential for rational, coherent discussion on these matters. It makes us, free citizens of a constitutional society, meek and excessively obeisant. During the World Series games, under the hashtag “TroopThanks,” Americans tweeted their appreciation for the troops. One such tweet thanked the troops for allowing us to “live free.” Another offered a stern “reminder” that we are only able to enjoy the World Series “because of those who protect our freedoms every day.” This is, of course, preposterous, but it is hardly a fringe belief. It reflects many decades of highly effective propaganda that has convinced generations of people that there is virtually nothing for which we should not thank the troops.

The NFL, with a culture that mirrors that of the military in many ways, is always more than willing to provide a massive platform for hyper-nationalistic promotion of the armed forces. Indeed, the league proudly states that “supporting the military is part of the fabric of the NFL.” This year, for Veterans Day, that “support” came in the form of an initiative called “Salute to Service,” which is all about “military appreciation.” Players donned camouflage gear and helmet decals honoring the armed forces. Colts quarterback Andrew Luck ran out of the tunnel during player introductions side by side with a service member, with the latter waving an American flag. As in baseball’s “Express Your Thanks” program, fans were “encouraged” to “demonstrate their military appreciation.”

The core message of the NFL’s initiative is clearly articulated by Hall of Fame wide receiver Michael Irvin in a recent promo spot. Irvin opens by explaining that, sometimes, we must set aside the petty business of breaking down football games, and take a moment to “salute the people that inspire all of us.” (As is very common in pronouncements of appreciation for the military, “all of us” are automatically consigned to agreement.) Furthermore, the ability to “get away from our world, and whatever’s going on in our world” and talk about football — “that’s called freedom,” in the unusual mind of Michael Irvin, and “that freedom is not free.” Whom are we to thank for this? As it turns out, it’s the troops! Indeed, they are the ones who “make it possible” for Irvin and his colleagues to go on television and discuss football. Again, there is seemingly no limit to the scope of human activity that many of us sincerely believe would not be possible were it not for the military’s selflessness.

We need not thank the troops for every breath we take. When we do, we reduce our entire existence as free people to something that only exists at the whim of the U.S. military, and suffocate critical thought about the military and what it’s actually doing in the world.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:04 am 
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singing the Star Spangled Banner is some bullshit too.

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singing the Star Spangled Banner is some bullshit too.

I don't necessarily mind that. It's become so ingrained in the sports world, that I don't think it will ever change back. The trotting out of the veteran's at all Blackhawks and Bulls seems a bit of overkill.

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You are correct. Anyone who tried to change it would be immediately branded unamericun and an Obama supporter. As you say, its so ingrained now, nobody thinks much of it. Its just something you do. No need to ask why.

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thanks for posting that don tiny. nice article and i completely agree... there are other ways to stay free in this new world order, and using a ridiculously powerful military isnt one of them. its really more of a money making industry for a bunch of rich white dudes.

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Leagues exploit the heck out of the military but I don't mind it.

Giant American flags kick ass.
Flyovers are fucking sweet.
The whole stadiums placard things are awesome too.

Enough suckers eat it up so might as well enjoy it. Nothing's going to change.


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The trotting out of the veteran's at all Blackhawks and Bulls seems a bit of overkill.


We use the term hero very loosely these days, e.g. anyone who has ever joined the military. It used to be a hero had to do something extraordinary. As much as I'm sure being a sys admin at Fort Hood is important to somebody, I really don't feel the need to give that guy an ovation at a sporting event.

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I guess, what's the harm in honoring a vet at Hawks game?

Sure there's a distinction between a desk clerk in Texas vs. someone who had boots on the ground in Afghanistan, but I really don't see the harm in it and just saying thanks.

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I guess, what's the harm in honoring a vet at Hawks game?

Sure there's a distinction between a desk clerk in Texas vs. someone who had boots on the ground in Afghanistan, but I really don't see the harm in it and just saying thanks.


I prefer to say thanks to RPB for his role in protecting the price of wheat.

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Do you guys know or are you close with anybody enlisted? Or vets?


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Couple of my best friends are from college are vets. Have a close friend whose brother is in Afghanistan. My Dad, and 3 Uncles and Brother all vets.

I'm sure that influences my opinion on this.

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Do you guys know or are you close with anybody enlisted? Or vets?


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My Dad, and 3 Uncles and Brother all vets.


My dad was a WWII guy. Fought in the Battle of the Bulge. Came back with a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart. I don't think he ever considered himself a hero. He was just doing what he had to do, what everybody he knew did. He sure as fuck didn't want to be eating his Thanksgiving "dinner" in a ditch. And I think he would have been embarrassed at getting an ovation at a sporting event.

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I guess, what's the harm in honoring a vet at Hawks game?

Sure there's a distinction between a desk clerk in Texas vs. someone who had boots on the ground in Afghanistan, but I really don't see the harm in it and just saying thanks.
Agree.

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I guess, what's the harm in honoring a vet at Hawks game?

Sure there's a distinction between a desk clerk in Texas vs. someone who had boots on the ground in Afghanistan, but I really don't see the harm in it and just saying thanks.


I think part of the guy's point is being missed here.

It's not just a HUGE rededication to so-called 'American Civil Religion' ... and it's not just the (imo) mindless nationalism-too-close-for-comfort-to-jingoism ... it's that it's literally shoved in our faces by corporations ... one might consider it the new corporate facism ... it's not wackos with odd mustaches or an odd sneer that makes the trains run on time ... its corporate dicatation as to what constituted societal norms, in this case "patriotism" ... it's unsettling, it's insipid, it's disingenuous, and as the fella points out, many of the preconcieved suppositions going in to a flag-waving event are in fact infinitely more "un-American" than opting to not just follow the crowd because it's easy, because of nationalistic peer pressure.

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But being a veteran can be very different things.

Both of my grandfathers were vets. They were about 10 years difference in age. One was on Omaha Beach the other never left the US and just had a bunch of drinking stories. Our culture typically puts them on the same level. They both volunteered and both served the same amount of time. I would only call one of them a hero though and my WWII grandfather would be the first to scoff at being called such a thing.

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I guess, what's the harm in honoring a vet at Hawks game?

Sure there's a distinction between a desk clerk in Texas vs. someone who had boots on the ground in Afghanistan, but I really don't see the harm in it and just saying thanks.
The individuals in our military get treated pretty poorly. This author would do more good taking his time pointing out things like that rather than getting on a soap box about one of the few outlets in the United States that recognizes and thanks people for the extreme sacrifice they all make. A college friend of mine will by skyping with his two young kids for the next year while deployed. I'm not going to get upset that when he watches a football game on his off time that there is recognition for the sacrifices he and others make.

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Don Tiny wrote:
it's unsettling, it's insipid, it's disingenuous, and as the fella points out, many of the preconcieved suppositions going in to a flag-waving event are in fact infinitely more "un-American" than opting to not just follow the crowd because it's easy, because of nationalistic peer pressure.


I just disagree with this. It's not Un-American. The mindless nationalism that he claims to exist has been going on forever, it's just more noticeable now with the advanced in media and technology.



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I don't see a substantial difference between these two WW2 posters and the Star Spangled Banner/Honoring a Vet at games.

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"It's always been that way" .... always a terrificly sound reason to continue doing something and not trouble oneself with actually considering why it might be a very good thing to upset the apple cart.

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all this shit is too much like brainwashing in my book. you can keep it. why don't they show videos up on the jumbotron of soldiers bodies in parts lying on the ground? "This was Jose Perez from Bollingbrook. Let's all give him a round of applause." "Now on to the hot dog race."

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Don Tiny wrote:
"It's always been that way" .... always a terrificly sound reason to continue doing something and not trouble oneself with actually considering why it might be a very good thing to upset the apple cart.


Sure that point is appropriate in some situations, but it doesn't apply to this discussion.

There is literally no harm that comes from 30 seconds at a sporting event to say thanks for someone who was in the military. Of course I understand that the core intentions of some teams/corporations promoting this may not be entirely pure, but the end result is more exposure/recognition for those who served which isn't a bad thing.

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all this shit is too much like brainwashing in my book. you can keep it. why don't they show videos up on the jumbotron of soldiers bodies in parts lying on the ground? "This was Jose Perez from Bollingbrook. Let's all give him a round of applause." "Now on to the hot dog race."


All they did was brainwash us in the 80s. GI Joe was one huge subliminal message to go join the Army. The military knew that the future of warfare was against terrorist organizations and they were prepping a new group of future soldiers.

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Don Tiny wrote:
]Why is pro sports constantly jamming military fervor down our throats? Their claims are wrong in more ways than one.[/size]



Because America has constantly done this. Like I said, it's just more apparent now since 10 seconds after an event, 1 million people tweet, take a vine, instantgram etc. So everything is more in your face.

If he wants to argue that it's always been wrong, well he can do that, but would continue to show he's a bit of a dolt.

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There is literally no harm that comes from 30 seconds at a sporting event to say thanks for someone who was in the military. .


This would be OK on Veteran's day or Memorial Day or July 4, but not every freaking day of the year.

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Northside_Dan wrote:
I guess, what's the harm in honoring a vet at Hawks game?

Sure there's a distinction between a desk clerk in Texas vs. someone who had boots on the ground in Afghanistan, but I really don't see the harm in it and just saying thanks.


I prefer to say thanks to RPB for his role in protecting the price of wheat.

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There is literally no harm that comes from 30 seconds at a sporting event to say thanks for someone who was in the military. .


This would be OK on Veteran's day or Memorial Day or July 4, but not every freaking day of the year.


Who does it hurt? How does it detract from an event/hurt the military? Personal preference is different from net benefits of an item. It's fine if someone can find it tedious on occasion, I can absolutely see that.

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Arent we, in a way, celebrating War?

I know it's ingrained in us that it's a perpetual "fight for freedom" but sometimes, were not really protecting freedom


I have no issue with the tributes, but I think you should mix in some cops, fireman, teachers, barbers, and other heroes


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all this shit is too much like brainwashing in my book. you can keep it. why don't they show videos up on the jumbotron of soldiers bodies in parts lying on the ground? "This was Jose Perez from Bollingbrook. Let's all give him a round of applause." "Now on to the hot dog race."

Instead of beer commercials they should show people in rehab.
Instead of hockey highlights showing goals being scored, they should show Clint Malarchuk damn near bleeding to death on the ice.
Instead of showing lemon heads, they should show a dead child that choked on a piece of candy once.
Instead of Instead of a zamboni race they should show somebody that slipped on smooth ice once and cracked their head open.
Instead of showing the guy dressed up in the Hawks mascot costume, they should show a toothless carnival worker from a small town festival.

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There is literally no harm that comes from 30 seconds at a sporting event to say thanks for someone who was in the military. .


This would be OK on Veteran's day or Memorial Day or July 4, but not every freaking day of the year.
In America, we treat our veterans and active duty soldiers quite poorly. If we didn't, then these types of things wouldn't be needed or effective. The reason it has the emotional appeal that it does is because deep down we know that they are treated poorly and it is a way to make a small difference. Not only are they subjected to low pay, and poor healthcare, but you also have people who consider anyone in the military to be "too dumb or poor to do anything else".

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Like I implied, glorification of war, military, violence runs counter to my moral fabric. Especially the way those guys are treated when they get back. "Oh, a little PTSD? Try a couple of these pills."

Brain washing little kids to think this is some great thing to go kill people so our international businesses can maintain profits. Disgusting in my book.

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