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Faint praise is more praise than that program deserves.

That pretty much describes the last 40 yrs of Illinois football.

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Faint praise is more praise than that program deserves.

That pretty much describes the last 40 yrs of Illinois football.


Please. You're forgetting their domination of Thomas Jones in the MicronPC.com Bowl game.

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Nice article by Adam Hoge

SOLDIER FIELD (CBS) — The wind was so bad Josh McCown couldn’t help but glance at the sidelines and think about the quarterbacks standing over there.

On one side was Joe Flacco. On the other, Jay Cutler.

“I’m like, can I borrow someone’s arm?,” McCown said. “Definitely one of those days that I wish I could spin it like those guys.”

Like it mattered. McCown outplayed Flacco and completed his latest strong performance as Cutler’s backup, posting a 92.9 passer rating in brutal weather conditions as the Bears beat the Baltimore Ravens 23-20 in overtime.

On a day that included a nearly two-hour weather delay, swirling gusts of wind up to 59 miles per hour, torrential downpours and a playing surface that probably has Roger Goodell seeing dollar signs as he thinks about an “NFL On Ice” spinoff, McCown was 19-of-31 for 216 yards and a touchdown.

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Most importantly, he didn’t turn the ball over. In fact, the Bears didn’t have any turnovers despite dealing with muddy, slippery footballs all afternoon.

McCown told CBSChicago.com that the mud is what messed with his head the most in those conditions, as sometimes it was hard to find a grip on the football as he dropped back to pass. He also admitted it was hard to trust his throws with the wind as unpredictable as it was.

But the voice of the Quarterback Whisperer helped him keep his poise.

“When it’s breezy, swing easy.”


That was the message from head coach Marc Trestman when it came to the weather conditions.

“If you grip the ball harder and grit your teeth, it’s going to wobble. And when it wobbles, it’s going to move,” McCown said. “If you can just throw spirals, stay relaxed, you should be all right. You should be able to cut the wind, to a degree.”


McCown did just that, staying accurate for most of the day and doing enough to win. Sure, he missed a couple of open receivers while going through his progressions, but it couldn’t have been easy in those conditions. And when it mattered most, he delivered a beautiful pass deep down the field to Martellus Bennett for a 42-yard gain to set up the game-winning 38-yard field goal in overtime.

“I don’t know if it was blowing as much,” McCown said. “I know that when the call came in I was a bit concerned because I knew the ball was getting downfield. With those guys it’s just getting it in their circle and let them make a play.”

Not only did Bennett make a play, but he made one no tight end on the Bears’ roster could have made a year ago, using his body to go up and catch the ball at its highest point, then keeping his balance to pick up even more yards after the catch.

So it was no surprise that general manager Phil Emery — the man who brought Bennett to Chicago in the offseason — found his tight end after the game and, according to Bennett, whispered in his ear: “That’s a way to make a play.”

Bennett’s reply was much louder, as he told Emery: “All I want to do is make plays.”

“I just want to make a difference,” he told CBSChicago.com later.

Bennett made the difference Sunday, even it was only one of two catches he made on the day. The play called for a slant-and-go to Brandon Marshall with the Ravens in a single-high safety look, leaving cornerback Lardarius Webb on Bennett.

“I ran the seam-route, which is what I always want to run,” Bennett said.

It’s a route all offenses want to run with their tight ends, but most teams lack the player with the athleticism and receiving ability to bring the ball down.

Of course, the pass needs to be there too. And McCown put it in the right spot.

That’s why moments after speaking with Bennett, Emery found McCown and embraced him in a long hug.

It’s the least he could do for the quarterback who is doing more than his part on and off the field to hold this team together as it deals with injury after injury. With the way he’s playing and leading the Bears’ offense, you might even say he looks like a starting quarterback.

“No,” McCown protested. “I just feel like — I’ve said this over and over again — I’m the backup quarterback on this team. And the way that I serve my team is to play when the starter is not healthy. Jay is our starting quarterback. There’s no doubt about that. And for me, it’s just serve our team in my role and that’s all I want to do.”

Not only is he doing it, he’s keeping the Bears’ playoff hopes alive

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He's getting 3/30 from somebody for sure. I'll be shocked if he doesn't get at least 4/50.

Who?


Cutler.

I still haven't heard who we are starting next year. McCown? Bradford? It better not be a rookie 3rd rounder.
No, the Bears need a first round QB draft pick. Give yourself the best chance to get an elite quarterback in a draft where QB's are plentiful but will go fast.

The Bears clearly don't need Jay Cutler. The funny thing is that people always complained about how the offense and the poor coaching made it more difficult on Cutler. What we are seeing now is that good offensive coaching can do very well without Jay Cutler. We spent years finding every excuse in the world for Cutler and his inconsistent play because of how the offense works with him. Now, when there is obvious evidence that Jay Cutler isn't a difference maker because of how the offense works we are worried that we can't do anything without Jay Cutler?

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Franchise + QB draft pick is the least risky option.
I don't know what the risk is here by not having Jay Cutler. This isn't three years ago.

Also, if Arizona isn't interested, the market really falls out for Cutler. Most other teams would be stupid to take him too since they'll be drafting high enough to get a potential franchise player at quarterback.

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Look, all I'm saying is I think people are just ignoring that Cutler looked good also. He was 4-2 with back-to-back 100+ ratings before he got hurt. He was improving.
Of course he looked good. You could probably pick most backups in the league and they'd look good in this offense.

No one thinks McCown is some hidden gem. He was a quarterback who fell out of the league and no one wanted. All of a sudden, he's equaling a person we are literally deciding if he is a franchise quarterback. There is a case to be made that there is some former NFL quarterback sitting at home right now that could look good in this system with this talent because that is basically what McCown was about 1 year ago.

The argument has always been "The Bears have no good option for a short term solution without Jay". That just isn't true any more. McCown + first round rookie QB would be just as good as what we have now with the upside that first round rookie QB may be the next Drew Brees or Tony Romo.

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If it's true that Emery and Trestman have put together an offense that most backups could succeed in, this is the greatest offense of all time.... right?


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If it's true that Emery and Trestman have put together an offense that most backups could succeed in, this is the greatest offense of all time.... right?
No. Backups are succeeding in many spots in the NFL right now. Philadelphia, Houston, Tampa Bay.

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If it's true that Emery and Trestman have put together an offense that most backups could succeed in, this is the greatest offense of all time.... right?
No. Backups are succeeding in many spots in the NFL right now. Philadelphia, Houston, Tampa Bay.


LOL, you must have missed yesterday. Keenum was benched. Tampa's offense is 28th in the league.


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LOL, you must have missed yesterday. Keenum was benched. Tampa's offense is 28th in the league.
Keenum was still playing well overall. It was a dumb move to bench him.

That's not even the point. About a year ago, McCown was out of the league. Do you really think there aren't a bunch of other quarterbacks that aren't starting right now that couldn't be doing what he is?

Edit: Glennon played more than 3 games, but for a rookie he's been pretty decent.

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Dr. Ken you are killing me. I'm not sure if you didn't watch the games or if old age has led you to believe something different happened. Reading one of the game threads may help. Looking at stats and a useless QB rating isn't a good idea. Cutler has NOT been a different QB this year. Sure he's padded his stats in a few games but the offense has been better with McCown. The pace and efficiency of the offense has improved with the less talented McCown at QB.

Bengals Game:
The defense set up the offense time and time again. Even with the help from the defense the offense couldn't score touchdowns. The offense was brutal in the first half. Cutler played better in the 2nd half (even though he tried to throw an interception in the 4th) but this wasn't a great/good game.

Vikings Game:
He was bad for most of the game (getting outplayed by Ponder) but he came up big when it mattered. He turned the ball over 3 times and tried to give it away a few more times. Somehow he still managed a nearly 100 rating.

Steelers Game:
He didn't do anything special but he wasn't bad either. He only had 159 yards but the defense forced 5 turnovers so it didn't matter. He still had a rating in the 90's even with his pedestrian numbers.

Lions Game:He was awful. Another one of his 3+ turnover games. He padded his stats at the end with 2 long drives and 2 meaningless touchdowns against a prevent defense when the game was already over.

Saints Game:
With no help from the Bears defense the Cutler led offense only managed 10 points until the game was virtually over. Then you had a couple of long drives in the 4 (1 without any points) and a long touchdown to Jeffrey. With 21 seconds left in the game he throws the ball over the middle of the field (let's pad those numbers some more) and the time runs out. Once again Cutler fumbled the football. Even though he was mediocre he had his highest rating of the season.

Giants Game:
Best game of the season. He looked like the QB we hoped he could consistently be.

Redskins Game:
He was AWFUL. Only had 1 turnover but couldn't move the ball against a bad Redskins defense. McCown came on and played great. It highlighted how bad Cutler had been. He had 28 yards passing in 1 half.

Lions Game:
He looked good in the first half even though he threw that stupid interception in the endzone. He hurt the team in the 2nd half because he was clearly injured. The Bears would be in the drivers seat in the division if it wasn't because of that.


Cutler has been the same inconsistent QB he has always been. He only has 2 games this year where he didn't turn the ball over and one of those games he didn't even throw for 160 yards. He has 13 touchdowns and 11 turnovers in 8 games he's played in. This is not a guy that has proven he is worth $13M+ but you're promoting him like you're his agent. Talent is good but results matter even more. Jay has been a mixed bag even with Trestman running the offense.

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what if the Bears are way under the cap next year? Then who cares if you franchisie him, right? or are they going to overpay to load the roster with somebody else's free agents?

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what if the Bears are way under the cap next year? Then who cares if you franchisie him, right? or are they going to overpay to load the roster with somebody else's free agents?
With how many holes there are on this team, I don't understand how signing more free agents is anything but a good thing.

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what if the Bears are way under the cap next year? Then who cares if you franchisie him, right? or are they going to overpay to load the roster with somebody else's free agents?


It's still a waste of resources. You don't invest that much money in someone when you can get similar production from someone that is less talented for 20% of the cost.

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well, I guess you'd have to make the case: we can sign these guys A, B, and C or Cutler. I don't like the blanket statement "don't sign Cutler." I want to know the specific choice we are making here.

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well, I guess you'd have to make the case: we can sign these guys A, B, and C or Cutler. I don't like the blanket statement "don't sign Cutler." I want to know the specific choice we are making here.


Nobody wants to do that, Hatchetman.

Blanket statements are what is necessary here.

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well, I guess you'd have to make the case: we can sign these guys A, B, and C or Cutler. I don't like the blanket statement "don't sign Cutler." I want to know the specific choice we are making here.
You'd almost never make a move if that were true. When they got rid of Urlacher and Lovie they didn't know who the replacement would be.

If I had my choice, C Alex Mack and DE Greg Hardy and maybe someone to help at safety or cornerback.

Let's put it another way. The Bears did great in free agency last season. No reason to believe they couldn't do it again.

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well, I guess you'd have to make the case: we can sign these guys A, B, and C or Cutler. I don't like the blanket statement "don't sign Cutler." I want to know the specific choice we are making here.


Nobody wants to do that, Hatchetman.

Blanket statements are what is necessary here.
No one has a crystal ball. I doubt you'd go out on a limb and say Cutler will be a top 5 QB next year if he comes back either.

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well, I guess you'd have to make the case: we can sign these guys A, B, and C or Cutler. I don't like the blanket statement "don't sign Cutler." I want to know the specific choice we are making here.


Very few are saying DO NOT sign Cutler. We are saying don't pay the guy like he is an elite QB to bring him back. We are saying IF he isn't willing to accept a reasonable deal then you should use the resources to better your defense. We also aren't saying that the Bears should franchise him no matter what because the alternative is scary. We're seeing that a guy that doesn't have 2% of his talent can be successful in this offense. We're seeing that guy run it better than Cutler. IMO that says a lot about Jay.

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well, I guess you'd have to make the case: we can sign these guys A, B, and C or Cutler. I don't like the blanket statement "don't sign Cutler." I want to know the specific choice we are making here.


Very few are saying DO NOT sign Cutler. We are saying don't pay the guy like he is an elite QB to bring him back. We are saying IF he isn't willing to accept a reasonable deal then you should use the resources to better your defense. We also aren't saying that the Bears should franchise him no matter what because the alternative is scary. We're seeing that a guy that doesn't have 2% of his talent can be successful in this offense. We're seeing that guy run it better than Cutler. IMO that says a lot about Jay.


If you think McCown is running it better, than you should not want Cutler under any circumstance. Zero. You should be happy drafting a QB at 20, because that guy is going to have an immense amount more of talent than Josh. That should be your opinion.


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well, I guess you'd have to make the case: we can sign these guys A, B, and C or Cutler. I don't like the blanket statement "don't sign Cutler." I want to know the specific choice we are making here.


Nobody wants to do that, Hatchetman.

Blanket statements are what is necessary here.
No one has a crystal ball. I doubt you'd go out on a limb and say Cutler will be a top 5 QB next year if he comes back either.


He's already saying that. That's the only reason you would franchise him.

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well, I guess you'd have to make the case: we can sign these guys A, B, and C or Cutler. I don't like the blanket statement "don't sign Cutler." I want to know the specific choice we are making here.


Very few are saying DO NOT sign Cutler. We are saying don't pay the guy like he is an elite QB to bring him back. We are saying IF he isn't willing to accept a reasonable deal then you should use the resources to better your defense. We also aren't saying that the Bears should franchise him no matter what because the alternative is scary. We're seeing that a guy that doesn't have 2% of his talent can be successful in this offense. We're seeing that guy run it better than Cutler. IMO that says a lot about Jay.


If you think McCown is running it better, than you should not want Cutler under any circumstance. Zero. You should be happy drafting a QB at 20, because that guy is going to have an immense amount more of talent than Josh. That should be your opinion.


:lol: What I posted should be my opinion. I've been saying don't franchise Cutler before McCown started playing. I believe McCown is living on borrowed time and would prefer someone with more talent to keep the seat warm in case the 1st round pick isn't ready to take over.

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If you think McCown is running it better, than you should not want Cutler under any circumstance. Zero. You should be happy drafting a QB at 20, because that guy is going to have an immense amount more of talent than Josh. That should be your opinion.
That is what I think.

I've never really understood the benefit of franchising Cutler. Before, it was that the Bears had no option next year without him which I thought was overblown anyways. That's clearly false now assuming that Arizona isn't going to offer McCown 5 years/$100 million. McCown + first round rookie gives us an acceptable present option and a great future option.

I'm going to be mad if they keep Cutler for a year and then draft a QB in the third round.

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If you think McCown is running it better, than you should not want Cutler under any circumstance. Zero. You should be happy drafting a QB at 20, because that guy is going to have an immense amount more of talent than Josh. That should be your opinion.
That is what I think.

I've never really understood the benefit of franchising Cutler. Before, it was that the Bears had no option next year without him which I thought was overblown anyways. That's clearly false now assuming that Arizona isn't going to offer McCown 5 years/$100 million. McCown + first round rookie gives us an acceptable present option and a great future option.

I'm going to be mad if they keep Cutler for a year and then draft a QB in the third round.


I will too unless it's Joe Montana.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
If you think McCown is running it better, than you should not want Cutler under any circumstance. Zero. You should be happy drafting a QB at 20, because that guy is going to have an immense amount more of talent than Josh. That should be your opinion.
That is what I think.

I've never really understood the benefit of franchising Cutler. Before, it was that the Bears had no option next year without him which I thought was overblown anyways. That's clearly false now assuming that Arizona isn't going to offer McCown 5 years/$100 million. McCown + first round rookie gives us an acceptable present option and a great future option.

I'm going to be mad if they keep Cutler for a year and then draft a QB in the third round.


My guess is unless it's a long term deal, they would go QB in the first round unless Marc is convinced he's found a Russel Wilson (which is highly unlikely).


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Bucky Chris wrote:
My guess is unless it's a long term deal, they would go QB in the first round unless Marc is convinced he's found a Russel Wilson (which is highly unlikely).
That will be the greatest day in Bears history since the 1985 season.

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