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Illinois is a much more storied program than you're suggesting. Johnny Kerr, Dike Eddleman, Andy Phillip, the Whiz Kids, the early to mid 80s with Harper, Douglas, Winters, Altenberger, Norman, etc. It's not like the Illini are some kind of B grade program.

Yes they are a B grade program. Pretty much every basketball team can create a list of players that makes it look like a storied program. The University of Illinois basketball program is essentially the same as the University of Oklahoma's basketball program. Similar number of all-time wins. Illinois has more final fours but Oklahoma has more national title games.

Now if you were taking offense at my top three list, obviously number three was a joke. I'm sure some big ten title or something would be number three.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1669748-ranking-the-best-college-basketball-programs-without-a-national-title/page/11

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Oklahoma was number three. I should have picked LSU as an apt comparison, at least according to bleacher report.

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Illinois is a much more storied program than you're suggesting. Johnny Kerr, Dike Eddleman, Andy Phillip, the Whiz Kids, the early to mid 80s with Harper, Douglas, Winters, Altenberger, Norman, etc. It's not like the Illini are some kind of B grade program.

Yes they are a B grade program. Pretty much every basketball team can create a list of players that makes it look like a storied program. The University of Illinois basketball program is essentially the same as the University of Oklahoma's basketball program. Similar number of all-time wins. Illinois has more final fours but Oklahoma has more national title games.

Now if you were taking offense at my top three list, obviously number three was a joke. I'm sure some big ten title or something would be number three.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1669748-ranking-the-best-college-basketball-programs-without-a-national-title/page/11


Damn Purdue.... Rick won't like this.

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Northwestern: Chicago's Best Big Ten Team that has never been to the NCAA Tournament.

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I'm starting to think you really are Barry Rozner. :lol:

I had to laugh at Larry repeatedly stating that "they beat two Big Ten teams", as if they regularly take out Michigan and Ohio State. They beat Iowa by a fucking field goal and beat the worst Purdue team in my lifetime. Let 'em play for the championship!

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When I first saw this, I imagined it was a member of his posse


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How dare a teenager act like a teenager!

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How dare someone is held accountable for poor behavior, especially when it is supervised by a team of adults.

Then hold the adults accountable, DB them but teenagers act like assholes. This is not new information.

Cory, are you saying dont hold anyone under 18 accountable for anything?


It was a dick move. When a 14 year old tells her parents she hates them, its part of being a teen, growing up etc, but its still a fucked up thing to say


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I was on the 05 Illini bandwagon and I never thought they had a chance watching the title game. In the back of my mind I thought they might have another Arizona style comeback in them, but then Id remember that UNC is not as bad as AZ

Also, no one could stop May. Maybe it was because of Augustine foul trouble, but the fact remains, May was not being stopped.


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but the fact remains, May was not being stopped.


he was also not going to be stopped when it came time to eat


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but the fact remains, May was not being stopped.


he was also not going to be stopped when it came time to eat

We could probably have an hour long debate about worst Jordan draft pick. There's so many to choose from, but May might be the worst. Guy was only in the league like 2 seasons it seemed. At least Kwame and Adam Morrison hung around for a bit.

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but the fact remains, May was not being stopped.


he was also not going to be stopped when it came time to eat

We could probably have an hour long debate about worst Jordan draft pick. There's so many to choose from, but May might be the worst. Guy was only in the league like 2 seasons it seemed. At least Kwame and Adam Morrison hung around for a bit.

I wonder what Adam Morrison is doing now besides smoking weed?

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When I first saw this, I imagined it was a member of his posse


What a douchebag


I thought it was one half of the Ying Yang Twins. Kept expecting him to serenade us with "Wait 'Til You See My Dick (Vitale)."

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Cory, are you saying dont hold anyone under 18 accountable for anything?


It was a dick move. When a 14 year old tells her parents she hates them, its part of being a teen, growing up etc, but its still a fucked up thing to say


I'm with you, I was more reacting to how people were acting like he did some heinous crime against the state of Illinois. He made a tasteless joke. Hopefully he will learn a more appropriate way to act though I suspect not.

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That's not really right though. I'm not going to tell you that Illinois is on the same level as Kansas historically, but Illinois is a much more storied program than you're suggesting. Johnny Kerr, Dike Eddleman, Andy Phillip, the Whiz Kids, the early to mid 80s with Harper, Douglas, Winters, Altenberger, Norman, etc. It's not like the Illini are some kind of B grade program. Of course they aren't North Carolina or Indiana or Kentucky. Not many programs are.


The Illini are a second- or third-tier program whose fans ardently believe the school is a top-tier program (as your comments indicate). No one thinks as highly of the Illini as Illini fans do. It's precisely this hardwood Napoleonic complex--although it probably applies to Illini boosters on many levels--that makes me root against the school.

If Groce achieves the success you predict for him as Illini coach, you can pretty much kiss him goodbye within two or three years. He'll treat the school precisely as the stepping stone it is. Illini Basketball is a means to an end, not an end in itself. That's the very definition of a B-grade program.

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Illinois basketball will be fine without a couple of one year wonders. And that isn't sour grapes either. Groce can coach what he's got.


So Groce isn't a great recruiter but he can coach really well?

Groce really is Bruce Weber revisited.

Enjoy! :lol: :lol:


These are very strange posts from you. You seem like a guy who would be above gloating. Are you a fan of Kansas or Duke? Regardless, playing with hats like that is the act of a festering Caller Bob. He earned the designation and now he can live with it.

And I think Groce is a fine recruiter and a better coach. Illinois will be fine without Cliff Alexander. It would have been great to have him for a year but now he can go play for Self and probably get upset in the round of 16. And then I hope Kendrick Perkins takes him to the floor and leg whips his ass to welcome him to the Association.


TM is obviously ignorant of the strides Groce has made recruiting. Let him enjoy his ignorance.



You're psyched because Illinois landed a couple top-50 and top-75 guys? Well, at least you're the rare Illini fan who knows he shouldn't expect too much from a B-grade program. You are aware that it's OK for schools to sign recruits in the top 10 or top 20, right? Oh wait, I forgot, Groce doesn't need those guys because he can coach up inferior talent--just like Richard Semrau was going to be the centerpiece of Bruce Weber's basketball dynasty (that is, after Illini fans realized Weber didn't know how to recruit either).

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That's not really right though. I'm not going to tell you that Illinois is on the same level as Kansas historically, but Illinois is a much more storied program than you're suggesting. Johnny Kerr, Dike Eddleman, Andy Phillip, the Whiz Kids, the early to mid 80s with Harper, Douglas, Winters, Altenberger, Norman, etc. It's not like the Illini are some kind of B grade program. Of course they aren't North Carolina or Indiana or Kentucky. Not many programs are.


The Illini are a second- or third-tier program whose fans ardently believe the school is a top-tier program (as your comments indicate). No one thinks as highly of the Illini as Illini fans do. It's precisely this hardwood Napoleonic complex--although it probably applies to Illini boosters on many levels--that makes me root against the school.

If Groce achieves the success you predict for him as Illini coach, you can pretty much kiss him goodbye within two or three years. He'll treat the school precisely as the stepping stone it is. Illini Basketball is a means to an end, not an end in itself. That's the very definition of a B-grade program.

Illinois' B-grade basketball team beats the hell out if it's S-grade football team. Quite the clusterfuck we have down here. A clusterfuck school for a clusterfuck state, how fitting.

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The truth hurts the deluded. It is a 70-75th percentile program at best. Lets examine.

No national titles. (Not even the NIT)
No big name coach. (Even NU understands this...)
No real history or tradition. (Like Loyola or DePaul)
No "important" boosters/friends of the program.
A school with no real national presence, even in the classroom. (In just the B1G - UW, UM & NU are nationally perceived as more attractive locales/schools)
Alums who don't have a presence on any national platform.
Average to below average arena. (The concrete pimple just doesn't do it)
An average at best midwestern (and therefore midwestern winter) campus.
Did I mention that it's in a almost rural town in a part of a rural state hostile to the only major/important market in the state.
Or that they don't market to the only market in IL that really matters on a national level.
Agricultural supply firms heavily sponsor the programs/broadcasts and not the flashy shoe companies
The biggest enduring national presence for the campus is either the occasional "Chief" garbage, or a throwaway line at the end of Risky Business.
The smell of the campus if the wind blows the wrong way.
A comparatively unattractive coed population. (SEC, ACC & PAC-12 coeds are much, much more attractive)

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The truth hurts the deluded. It is a 70-75th percentile program at best. Lets examine.

No national titles. (Not even the NIT)
No big name coach. (Even NU understands this...)
No real history or tradition. (Like Loyola or DePaul)
No "important" boosters/friends of the program.
A school with no real national presence, even in the classroom. (In just the B1G - UW, UM & NU are nationally perceived as more attractive locales/schools)
Alums who don't have a presence on any national platform.
Average to below average arena. (The concrete pimple just doesn't do it)
An average at best midwestern (and therefore midwestern winter) campus.
Did I mention that it's in a almost rural town in a part of a rural state hostile to the only major/important market in the state.
Or that they don't market to the only market in IL that really matters on a national level.
Agricultural supply firms heavily sponsor the programs/broadcasts and not the flashy shoe companies
The biggest enduring national presence for the campus is either the occasional "Chief" garbage, or a throwaway line at the end of Risky Business.
The smell of the campus if the wind blows the wrong way.
A comparatively unattractive coed population. (SEC, ACC & PAC-12 coeds are much, much more attractive)


Watch out, Reader, Dr. Ken and his Insane Illini Clown Posse are about to come heavy for you! I predict there will be a mention of Illinois' engineering program in 5,4,3,2,1....

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The truth hurts the deluded. It is a 70-75th percentile program at best. Lets examine.

No national titles. (Not even the NIT)
No big name coach. (Even NU understands this...)
No real history or tradition. (Like Loyola or DePaul)
No "important" boosters/friends of the program.
A school with no real national presence, even in the classroom. (In just the B1G - UW, UM & NU are nationally perceived as more attractive locales/schools)
Alums who don't have a presence on any national platform.
Average to below average arena. (The concrete pimple just doesn't do it)
An average at best midwestern (and therefore midwestern winter) campus.
Did I mention that it's in a almost rural town in a part of a rural state hostile to the only major/important market in the state.
Or that they don't market to the only market in IL that really matters on a national level.
Agricultural supply firms heavily sponsor the programs/broadcasts and not the flashy shoe companies
The biggest enduring national presence for the campus is either the occasional "Chief" garbage, or a throwaway line at the end of Risky Business.
The smell of the campus if the wind blows the wrong way.
A comparatively unattractive coed population. (SEC, ACC & PAC-12 coeds are much, much more attractive)

The TwinCities are glad you left us. I know this to be fact. I took a survey.

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Watch out, Reader, Dr. Ken and his Insane Illini Clown Posse are about to come heavy for you! I predict there will be a mention of Illinois' engineering program in 5,4,3,2,1....


Yeah, MIT, Cal, CalTech, five-ten-fifteen other schools, UIUC.

Now if you want to talk the glamour of the farm school, that's another thing.

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Watch out, Reader, Dr. Ken and his Insane Illini Clown Posse are about to come heavy for you! I predict there will be a mention of Illinois' engineering program in 5,4,3,2,1....


Yeah, MIT, Cal, CalTech, five-ten-fifteen other schools, UIUC.

Now if you want to talk the glamour of the farm school, that's another thing.



:lol: :lol: :lol:

Dr. Ken isn't going to like this. But then again he went to the U of C for grad school.

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The TwinCities are glad you left us. I know this to be fact. I took a survey.


Well "Cities" is a bit off imo, leaving the rest of your "fact(s)" in serious question.

And given your belief in surveys sponsored by Karl Rove, Frank Luntz & Rasmussen :lol: , "question" would be the key word with the rest of that post.

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Watch out, Reader, Dr. Ken and his Insane Illini Clown Posse are about to come heavy for you! I predict there will be a mention of Illinois' engineering program in 5,4,3,2,1....


Yeah, MIT, Cal, CalTech, five-ten-fifteen other schools, UIUC.

Now if you want to talk the glamour of the farm school, that's another thing.

The Crop Sciences Department has done more harm to humanity than Obama.

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The TwinCities are glad you left us. I know this to be fact. I took a survey.


Well "Cities" is a bit off imo, leaving the rest of your "fact(s)" in serious question.

And given your belief in surveys sponsored by Karl Rove, Frank Luntz & Rasmussen :lol: , "question" would be the key word with the rest of that post.

Please show where I've ever had a good word to say about any of the aforementioned. For your sake, I hope the ACA qualifies batshit crazy as a pre-existing condition.

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Watch out, Reader, Dr. Ken and his Insane Illini Clown Posse are about to come heavy for you! I predict there will be a mention of Illinois' engineering program in 5,4,3,2,1....


Yeah, MIT, Cal, CalTech, five-ten-fifteen other schools, UIUC.

Now if you want to talk the glamour of the farm school, that's another thing.



:lol: :lol: :lol:

Dr. Ken isn't going to like this. But then again he went to the U of C for grad school.


Hey, I said 70-75th percentile overall & even gave credit for being a top 25ish E school. That's objectively fair, and even effusive praise coming from me.

And sincerely doubt he'll argue on behalf of the corn fed heifers heavily influencing that campus. :wink:

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Watch out, Reader, Dr. Ken and his Insane Illini Clown Posse are about to come heavy for you! I predict there will be a mention of Illinois' engineering program in 5,4,3,2,1....


Yeah, MIT, Cal, CalTech, five-ten-fifteen other schools, UIUC.

Now if you want to talk the glamour of the farm school, that's another thing.

The Crop Sciences Department has done more harm to humanity than Obama.


:lol:

In all seriousness, this is a terrible time for public research institutions. Budget cuts and salary freezes are causing star faculty members to move to private institutions with much greater frequency than they have in the past. Even a truly great public university like Berkeley isn't what it was a couple decades ago.

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