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Life is a long line at a snack shop. You finally get to the front, order your Coke and they hand you a pretzel. Enjoy your pretzel. Life is buying a ticket to Las Vegas and being flown to Dubuque. Change of plans. Explore Dubuque.

Sports is not life, of course, but a concentrated simulacra of life: thrill, hope, triumph and, yes, disappointment, all packed into one maddening, chaotic, endless enterprise.

I ignored sports most of my life because I was no good at them, and my father didn’t know a baseball from a basement. But occasionally my interest was sparked. In the 1970s, the Indians. In the 1990s, the Bulls. My wife loved ’em, the city loved ’em, and I tried to love ’em too, though Michael Jordan, excellent as he was, flubbed the hero test for me by being a jerk. He seemed mean, up close, taunting his teammates. Maybe to glory, yes. But nobody wanted to be Scottie Pippen.

Frankly, I like the current crop of Bulls far better. Derrick Rose is not a jerk. The MVP with the extra gear to the basket. With a quirky supporting crew. Passionate Joakim Noah, scowling Carlos Boozer. And the rest: Gibson. Hinrich. Deng. Not to forget my kid’s hero, Jimmy Butler, whom he was cheering from the start for reasons I plumbed but never fathomed. He loves Jimmy Butler because Jimmy is the best.

We went to a preseason game, yelled our hearts out, then settled in for something new to me: a season where I knew the team, knew the players, knew what was going on.

Then Rose blew out his knee. Again.

My first reaction was selfish. Oh, great, I finally surrender to this stuff, reach a point where my question at breakfast is, “Are they playing tonight?” Where tipoff finds me on the sofa, ready to savor the action. Little Neil, a sports fan at last. Now this.

That lasted 10 seconds. Then I thought of Rose, not the player, but the person. The poor man. How awful this must be. How hard he worked this past year, getting healthy, absorbing the tsk-tsks of the entire city. He’s back, not even a dozen games.

“He looks fragile,” I kept saying, watching Rose play. Turns out I was right; the one time I would have preferred being wrong.

My 16-year-old, whose grasp of sports is more “Moneyball” than athletics, explained why the team will now be broken up so that the Bulls can lose and get better draft picks.

Can that be true? I’m naive, yes. But that can’t be the plan. It feels like surrender. “A seasonlong wake” as my colleague put it. Why can’t the team that’s left rise to the occasion? Why can’t Jimmy Butler become the star my kid thinks he is? They almost did it last year. What are fans supposed to do while waiting for the draft? Watch a lousy scrub team lose? That doesn’t sound fun.

And what’s Rose supposed to do now? An outsider would say he’s already won, beat the odds, grabbed the brass ring. If he doesn’t squander his money, he can own car dealerships and have a happy life.

Or can he? The road back is even more fraught. Not only is there the pain and struggle of recovery, but once he gets into shape there will always be fear, every time he puts his foot down, it could happen again. It’s already happened twice. Einmal ist keinmal, as the Germans say, und zweimal ist immer . “Once is never and twice is always.”

Those are the stakes. Still, I don’t see a choice. Rose, like each of us, can’t dictate outcomes, only effort. Fall down, get up, maybe shake your fist at the sky and start again. “It’s called trying,” I tell my boys.

Last season, without Rose, was still fun to watch. I would rather see Noah and Butler and Boozer flail against better teams and lose than have them shipped to other teams and watch some temporary cast of new nobodies — The Chicago Generals — rack up the losses we need to maybe, maybe, draft a star player. Who’d enjoy that?

The team can’t wait, cargo-cult like, scanning the skies for Rose to return, or for a new draft-pick hero. It has to play hard now.

My apologies for caring. It is a change, I know, and against character. I’ve never met Derrick Rose, but he seems a fine young man dealt a bad hand. There are a lot of those. I am confident he will play that hand, best he can. You don’t have to win a championship to be a hero. Sometimes your big play occurs when you blow out your knee, again, and are counted out. I do not expect him to quit. He has his job to do, the Bulls have their job to do, and fans have a job, too. “I will be conquered,” the great Samuel Johnson, no stranger to adversity, said. “I will not capitulate.” That sounds like a game plan. Disappointment comes, adversity arises, yet you somehow overcome. Is that not what sports, and life, is all about?

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Well Bernstein and Spiegel win, then, because that was all kinds of bad. :(


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Well Bernstein and Spiegel win, then, because that was all kinds of bad. :(


No. Sport is about competition. Not tanking for draft choices. Enjoy your Chicago Cubs.

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It's not tanking for the fun of tanking. It is about competition. You're trying to tank, to get in the lottery, to get one of these 3 or 4 studs (From what people say. I know nothing about any of them.) that are cominig out. You're doing this to better your chances of winning a championship.

Winning regular season games this year will not net you with a championship. Getting the 6th or 7th seed this year will not get you a title.


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speaking of REALLY. SMART. GUYS. taking on bernstein, i just saw this tweet and it felt like a part of me died; you know, the elitist post-punkrocker that was never one let the minor technicality of not existing get in the way of warranting some properly accredited righteous indignation; dave kaplan was is and forever will be a smarmy alien-looking bald headed condescending douchebag proto-yuppie asshole and as such my ex-radio-hero bernstein is supposed to be diametrically opposed to everything @TheKapAss stands for.

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That looks awesome. "@dan_bernstein: Kids both said they were craving lobster bisque, so we made it Nice job, kids. pic.twitter.com/FbKWbdQC4M"

dammit dan, if you wanna truly be the voice of this chicago sports fan you're supposed to do one better than posting pictures of your damn dinner on twitter... and irregardless dave kaplan should be unable to RT that cuz you've got him blocked.

ah well, i guess it's time to grow up and accept that the FOTS is "in the club" with the pillars of the community like "father of the year" sir lord david kaplan, esq. FOTS+FOTY = only one letter of difference.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Well Bernstein and Spiegel win, then, because that was all kinds of bad. :(


No. Sport is about competition. Not tanking for draft choices. Enjoy your Chicago Cubs.


Not so much disagreeing with the overall point; I'm indifferent. The presentation is horrible and some of the smaller points he makes are bad.


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They almost did it last year. What are fans supposed to do while waiting for the draft? Watch a lousy scrub team lose? That doesn’t sound fun.


Someone needs to explain to him what sports are all about. Waiting patiently for your team to win a championship so that you can quietly reflect about millionaires making more money for billionaires.

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It's not tanking for the fun of tanking. It is about competition. You're trying to tank, to get in the lottery, to get one of these 3 or 4 studs (From what people say. I know nothing about any of them.) that are cominig out. You're doing this to better your chances of winning a championship.

Winning regular season games this year will not net you with a championship. Getting the 6th or 7th seed this year will not get you a title.



Not making the playoffs surely won't get you a title and your great draft pick might be Larue Martin.

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I really wish one of the leagues would blaze a trail and drop the whole concept of the worst teams getting the best draft picks. It's dumb. Otherwise, you cannot fault teams that tank. The system encourages it. It punishes you for playing hard. There's already a salary cap to stop the big market teams from simply outspending everyone. So have a random draft order every second year (reverse it in the in-between years) and don't reward badness.


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It's not tanking for the fun of tanking. It is about competition. You're trying to tank, to get in the lottery, to get one of these 3 or 4 studs (From what people say. I know nothing about any of them.) that are cominig out. You're doing this to better your chances of winning a championship.

Winning regular season games this year will not net you with a championship. Getting the 6th or 7th seed this year will not get you a title.



Not making the playoffs surely won't get you a title and your great draft pick might be Larue Martin.


Players are gonna play hard. Thibs will coach to win. That will get them their 40 wins and a 6th seed with this roster. So you're gonna get your wish if they keep this roster as is. They're not gonna tank.

It's up to the GM to trade Deng if he can get an expiring contract and a #1 pick. And put Noah on the shelf if the foot is hurting him. That means 30 wins or less and a chance at a super star.


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I really wish one of the leagues would blaze a trail and drop the whole concept of the worst teams getting the best draft picks. It's dumb. Otherwise, you cannot fault teams that tank. The system encourages it. It punishes you for playing hard. There's already a salary cap to stop the big market teams from simply outspending everyone. So have a random draft order every second year (reverse it in the in-between years) and don't reward badness.

No. That's a really stupid trail. That the worst team gets first crack at the best new player is a fundamental principle of a closed league. You take that away and it's all college football, where the best teams are the best teams because they're the best teams and The Natural Order Of Things is all but predetermined. Hell, the NBA gives the worst teams the best new players and the league is still built around the Lakers and Celtics.

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It's funny that the same fan who would have a conniption over a guy tanking in his keeper league is all in favor of a real team tanking with real money involved.

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Well Bernstein and Spiegel win, then, because that was all kinds of bad. :(


No. Sport is about competition. Not tanking for draft choices. Enjoy your Chicago Cubs.


the part about the athletes playing as hard as they can, because they will get paid if they play better is never taken into account.

IF Deng carries this team deep into the playoffs (assuming he isnt traded) he is looking for a bigger contract.

Boozer could be set free next year and he knows it.

The young guys just want to play as they will be looking for a job next year AKA M Teague, Heinrich should be

So, while I do think teams and players have the mindset of tanking it, once they get on the field or court, they play as hard as they can because the camera is watching them

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I really wish one of the leagues would blaze a trail and drop the whole concept of the worst teams getting the best draft picks. It's dumb. Otherwise, you cannot fault teams that tank. The system encourages it. It punishes you for playing hard. There's already a salary cap to stop the big market teams from simply outspending everyone. So have a random draft order every second year (reverse it in the in-between years) and don't reward badness.

No. That's a really stupid trail. That the worst team gets first crack at the best new player is a fundamental principle of a closed league. You take that away and it's all college football, where the best teams are the best teams because they're the best teams and The Natural Order Of Things is all but predetermined. Hell, the NBA gives the worst teams the best new players and the league is still built around the Lakers and Celtics.


Would it necessarily turn out that way? The draft would be random, which is different than the top colleges having a recruiting advantage. These are supposed to be professional sports franchises - hire competent GMs and scouts, and then draft and develop good talent. Don't be dependent on the league to do you favors and do your work for you because you are bad.

Actually the NBA lottery is almost a fair compromise, except they shouldn't slant it to the bad teams as much as they do. Although it often seems it's not quite as random a lottery as we're supposed to believe.


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With all the stats that have become available there has to be a way to match
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Life is a long line at a snack shop. You finally get to the front, order your Coke and they hand you a pretzel. Enjoy your pretzel. Life is buying a ticket to Las Vegas and being flown to Dubuque. Change of plans. Explore Dubuque.

Sports is not life, of course, but a concentrated simulacra of life: thrill, hope, triumph and, yes, disappointment, all packed into one maddening, chaotic, endless enterprise.

I ignored sports most of my life because I was no good at them, and my father didn’t know a baseball from a basement. But occasionally my interest was sparked. In the 1970s, the Indians. In the 1990s, the Bulls. My wife loved ’em, the city loved ’em, and I tried to love ’em too, though Michael Jordan, excellent as he was, flubbed the hero test for me by being a jerk. He seemed mean, up close, taunting his teammates. Maybe to glory, yes. But nobody wanted to be Scottie Pippen.

Frankly, I like the current crop of Bulls far better. Derrick Rose is not a jerk. The MVP with the extra gear to the basket. With a quirky supporting crew. Passionate Joakim Noah, scowling Carlos Boozer. And the rest: Gibson. Hinrich. Deng. Not to forget my kid’s hero, Jimmy Butler, whom he was cheering from the start for reasons I plumbed but never fathomed. He loves Jimmy Butler because Jimmy is the best.

We went to a preseason game, yelled our hearts out, then settled in for something new to me: a season where I knew the team, knew the players, knew what was going on.

Then Rose blew out his knee. Again.

My first reaction was selfish. Oh, great, I finally surrender to this stuff, reach a point where my question at breakfast is, “Are they playing tonight?” Where tipoff finds me on the sofa, ready to savor the action. Little Neil, a sports fan at last. Now this.

That lasted 10 seconds. Then I thought of Rose, not the player, but the person. The poor man. How awful this must be. How hard he worked this past year, getting healthy, absorbing the tsk-tsks of the entire city. He’s back, not even a dozen games.

“He looks fragile,” I kept saying, watching Rose play. Turns out I was right; the one time I would have preferred being wrong.

My 16-year-old, whose grasp of sports is more “Moneyball” than athletics, explained why the team will now be broken up so that the Bulls can lose and get better draft picks.

Can that be true? I’m naive, yes. But that can’t be the plan. It feels like surrender. “A seasonlong wake” as my colleague put it. Why can’t the team that’s left rise to the occasion? Why can’t Jimmy Butler become the star my kid thinks he is? They almost did it last year. What are fans supposed to do while waiting for the draft? Watch a lousy scrub team lose? That doesn’t sound fun.

And what’s Rose supposed to do now? An outsider would say he’s already won, beat the odds, grabbed the brass ring. If he doesn’t squander his money, he can own car dealerships and have a happy life.

Or can he? The road back is even more fraught. Not only is there the pain and struggle of recovery, but once he gets into shape there will always be fear, every time he puts his foot down, it could happen again. It’s already happened twice. Einmal ist keinmal, as the Germans say, und zweimal ist immer . “Once is never and twice is always.”

Those are the stakes. Still, I don’t see a choice. Rose, like each of us, can’t dictate outcomes, only effort. Fall down, get up, maybe shake your fist at the sky and start again. “It’s called trying,” I tell my boys.

Last season, without Rose, was still fun to watch. I would rather see Noah and Butler and Boozer flail against better teams and lose than have them shipped to other teams and watch some temporary cast of new nobodies — The Chicago Generals — rack up the losses we need to maybe, maybe, draft a star player. Who’d enjoy that?

The team can’t wait, cargo-cult like, scanning the skies for Rose to return, or for a new draft-pick hero. It has to play hard now.

My apologies for caring. It is a change, I know, and against character. I’ve never met Derrick Rose, but he seems a fine young man dealt a bad hand. There are a lot of those. I am confident he will play that hand, best he can. You don’t have to win a championship to be a hero. Sometimes your big play occurs when you blow out your knee, again, and are counted out. I do not expect him to quit. He has his job to do, the Bulls have their job to do, and fans have a job, too. “I will be conquered,” the great Samuel Johnson, no stranger to adversity, said. “I will not capitulate.” That sounds like a game plan. Disappointment comes, adversity arises, yet you somehow overcome. Is that not what sports, and life, is all about?


where do you send in an application for employment to the sun times? this article is fucking stupid... someone got paid for it? it seems like an 8th grader wrote it. i would love to be an editorial writer just sitting around the house naked all day

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Ike, you want to work for a newspaper? They pay about as well as Wal-Mart. Something about your grammar strikes me as not worthy for print, but you'd make a fine Daily Herald editor.


I am with Jorr. The whole idea of tanking is silly. If I play pick-up basketball or nerf ball with my kid, I always try as hard as I can. I can't imagine being a professional for a team trying to lose. I hate that the draft rewards badness.

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Actually the NBA lottery is almost a fair compromise, except they shouldn't slant it to the bad teams as much as they do. Although it often seems it's not quite as random a lottery as we're supposed to believe.


it's too arbitrary...they really should just either ditch it or make it league wide. no one should have to "qualify" for a random lotto. and in an immediate impact league like the NBA, you don't always see #1 picks translating to #1 superstars.


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cant i just write a bunch of scribble down and a senior editor like dbernstein would clean it up for me?

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Actually the NBA lottery is almost a fair compromise, except they shouldn't slant it to the bad teams as much as they do. Although it often seems it's not quite as random a lottery as we're supposed to believe.


it's too arbitrary...they really should just either ditch it or make it league wide. no one should have to "qualify" for a random lotto. and in an immediate impact league like the NBA, you don't always see #1 picks translating to #1 superstars.


I don't know if it's arbitrary. Like the NFL, all playoff teams are placed into fixed spots based on how they finished. The only difference is the non-playoff teams, instead of picking in reverse order of finish, are subject to random slotting in order to prevent the sort of tanking discussed in this thread.

And while you're right to point out that all no. 1 picks are not always superstars, I'd say that all or the majority of stars/superstars in the league are almost always lottery picks.

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Ike, you want to work for a newspaper? They pay about as well as Wal-Mart. Something about your grammar strikes me as not worthy for print, but you'd make a fine Daily Herald editor.


I am with Jorr. The whole idea of tanking is silly. If I play pick-up basketball or nerf ball with my kid, I always try as hard as I can. I can't imagine being a professional for a team trying to lose. I hate that the draft rewards badness.


I think tanking can only be viewed from the perspective of front offices, and not players. Players and coaches play and coach to win, and I think most efforts to sabotage a game from a player or coach can be spotted easily.

I think tanking here as more to do with GMs intentionally fielding teams that are less likely to win than other options available to them. Sometimes I think there are strong reasons to do this, like starting a rookie outfielder, for example, instead of an available, established veteran in order to develop the former, even though the established vet will probably produce at a rate more conducive to winning than the rookie. I don't know if this would qualify as tanking, but it is deliberately undercutting a team's chances to win in the short-term in order to set yourself up for long-term success, which is the goal I think of most well-thought out tanking episodes.

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cant i just write a bunch of scribble down and a senior editor like dbernstein would clean it up for me?

Dan doesn't even clean up his own writing. Why would he clean up yours?

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I'm firmly in the anti-tanking camp. I think it's pathetic. Last year's Bulls team was one of my favorite teams ever.

I guess it all comes down to being able to enjoy sports for what they are vs placing misguided importance on a championship. I would suggest that anyone who believes it's not worth watching a team's games if that team isn't a title contender isn't actually a sports fan.

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I think tanking can only be viewed from the perspective of front offices, and not players. Players and coaches play and coach to win, and I think most efforts to sabotage a game from a player or coach can be spotted easily.

I think tanking here as more to do with GMs intentionally fielding teams that are less likely to win than other options available to them. Sometimes I think there are strong reasons to do this, like starting a rookie outfielder, for example, instead of an available, established veteran in order to develop the former, even though the established vet will probably produce at a rate more conducive to winning than the rookie. I don't know if this would qualify as tanking, but it is deliberately undercutting a team's chances to win in the short-term in order to set yourself up for long-term success, which is the goal I think of most well-thought out tanking episodes.


I pretty much agree with you, but I think we need to define what we mean by "tanking". When we're 7/8 of the way through the season and the team is terrible, I have no problem with playing young guys or fielding a team that is likely to lose that one extra game that moves you up a spot in a draft.

What I'm taking issue with is the strategic decision that a season is lost before it begins. It undermines the entire concept of sport. Throwing away seasons is an insult to the fans. The Bulls are now the same basic team as they were last year. And what if LeBron had blown out a knee last season?

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What I'm taking issue with is the strategic decision that a season is lost before it begins. It undermines the entire concept of sport. Throwing away seasons is an insult to the fans. The Bulls are now the same basic team as they were last year. And what if LeBron had blown out a knee last season?


Not that I disagree, but what are some examples of what you mean here? What would you advise...say, the Jacksonville Jaguars around August just before the season started? If I'm a fan of the Jaguars, I of course want them to win, but at the same time if the writing is on the wall even before the season or shortly thereafter, I would want them to go young immediately in order to identify long-term talent that can staff future winning teams.

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What I'm taking issue with is the strategic decision that a season is lost before it begins. It undermines the entire concept of sport. Throwing away seasons is an insult to the fans. The Bulls are now the same basic team as they were last year. And what if LeBron had blown out a knee last season?


Not that I disagree, but what are some examples of what you mean here? What would you advise...say, the Jacksonville Jaguars around August just before the season started? If I'm a fan of the Jaguars, I of course want them to win, but at the same time if the writing is on the wall even before the season or shortly thereafter, I would want them to go young immediately in order to identify long-term talent that can staff future winning teams.


Each sport is different. Jacksonville figured to be terrible and they are. But .500 teams have made the playoffs and I don't think the worst NFL team is ever that far away from .500. Besides, you can't just bench your highest paid veterans to play rookies. It just isn't done. So that's not what we're talking about anyway.

It's easy for dan bernstein to advocate trading every decent player and starting Teague even while he is telling you how hard Teague is to watch. He has no investment. If I'm sitting on a stack of tickets, I at least want to see a team that has a chance tonight rather than a bunch of marginal goofs getting pasted in pursuit of some future championship that will most likely prove to be elusive in any case.

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cant i just write a bunch of scribble down and a senior editor like dbernstein would clean it up for me?

Dan doesn't even clean up his own writing. Why would he clean up yours?


are you sayin i got the job? my first article will be on bengahzi!

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:


What I'm taking issue with is the strategic decision that a season is lost before it begins. It undermines the entire concept of sport. Throwing away seasons is an insult to the fans. The Bulls are now the same basic team as they were last year. And what if LeBron had blown out a knee last season?


Not that I disagree, but what are some examples of what you mean here? What would you advise...say, the Jacksonville Jaguars around August just before the season started? If I'm a fan of the Jaguars, I of course want them to win, but at the same time if the writing is on the wall even before the season or shortly thereafter, I would want them to go young immediately in order to identify long-term talent that can staff future winning teams.


Each sport is different. Jacksonville figured to be terrible and they are. But .500 teams have made the playoffs and I don't think the worst NFL team is ever that far away from .500. Besides, you can't just bench your highest paid veterans to play rookies. It just isn't done. So that's not what we're talking about anyway.

It's easy for dan bernstein to advocate trading every decent player and starting Teague even while he is telling you how hard Teague is to watch. He has no investment. If I'm sitting on a stack of tickets, I at least want to see a team that has a chance tonight rather than a bunch of marginal goofs getting pasted in pursuit of some future championship that will most likely prove to be elusive in any case.


I agree here as a fan, but again I'm wondering if we have to apply a different set of standards to front offices. I suppose I'd be very angry if the Bulls gutted the roster for the sake of tanking to get a high pick, like they did in 1999. That team just sucked across the board and there was no player to monitor for progress. The next year however they did up with two seven foot prospects as a result of the disastrous 1999-2000 campaign. Ignoring for a moment that Curry and Chandler didn't work out, in 2000-2001 would a true fan be ecstatic that she can go to a Bulls game and watch two pillars of the Bulls grow together, see them win some games here and there, and just revel in the excitement that the new team has created, or would said fan still object in principle to the tanking campaign of the prior season? I think here we're forced to make a decision as fans between objecting to tanking on principle, or objecting if and only if there is no plan in place that generates wins as a result of the tanking.

Of course it's easier I think to expect wins all the time from lower levels, like high school and college, since there are different structures in place. But at this level, there no place on the court/field/rink/diamond etc. that is safe from the reach of front office/business strategy.

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But at this level, there no place on the court/field/rink/diamond etc. that is safe from the reach of front office/business strategy.


Correct, but that is why the league office has to step in on occasion. That's where the adults have to speak up. I don't blame a guy like Popovich for his singular focus. He truly believes he's there to win championships. But his job is really to make money. David Stern knows that. That's why he can't just allow him to rest his team en masse. Think of the havoc it would cause if people were buying Heat tickets and there was a 50/50 shot that LeBron would play. Not to mention the television advertising. You can't run a league that way. Popovich is like a guy who is holding an elephant's trunk and thinks the animal is shaped like a hose.

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