The owner has to have SOME pride. Plus he had to realize that Tebow, like herpes, is something that once contracted is impossible to get rid of.

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Decent/serviceable, etc. Doesn't really matter. Henne is good enough to not make you the worst team in the league. So RR, do you believe the Jags, Vikings, and Buccs are all just grossly mismanaged? How else do you explain them winning games in the later part of the season when they are "fighting" for the #1 draft spot? If they are tanking, we can both agree that it's just one more thing they suck at doing, correct?

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The owner didn't want to tank for 3 years!

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I don't know if this has been said, but the Bears could have run the clock down a lot more especially if they don't burn the timeout. A tie isn't good but it's better than a loss.

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Need to see a lot more from Rodgers before he is in the GOAT talk. He is certainly top 3 in the game right now, but not in the team photo for GOAT. He's not even Green Bay's GOAT.

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I believe the Bucs & Vikings are mismanaged. Both teams attempted to make reasonable moves last offseason to improve the product on the field. The moves were not enough to overcome the poor QB play and poor coaching they were wrongfully relying upon.

The Jaguars, Browns and Raiders were bad coming into the season, did nothing in the offseason to upgrade the product on the field. I think those organizations recognized the futility of this season and wrote them off before game one. As RPB noted, this is an organizational not player/coaching thing. Players & coaches only look season to season, the organizations are looking to 2015, so you will get a nonsensical upset or miraculous two game winning streak.

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I was referring to Peyton, responding to RPB bringing up the 2-14 colts. But Rodgers is better than Favre was at their best.

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My mistake. Yes, Goober is in the talk of GOAT.

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I promise I'm not trying to be contrarian, but I just can't include Peyton in any final discussion for GOAT. His teams have won exactly one big game in his college/pro career because of his clutch play. Imo. (Edit: I think he's among the 5th-10th ranked grouping of QBs)

To me he's most like Dan Fouts with a better promotional machine behind him.

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I was thinking about this last night. There might be a difference between the greatest passer of all time and the greatest quarterback of all time.

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Thats up for debate. There are things that cant be quantified by numbers.

There definitely is. Just like there's a difference between the greatest runner & running back of all time.

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Peyton seals his status when he gets one for the thumb* this year.

*-three other fingers are still empty.

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He's cruising towards another divisional round exit as per usual

I tend to agree more than not with your view on this, but I think his numbers and accomplishments alone warrant him being included in the discussion.

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Im not gonna blame you or anyone for disagreeing, but there's no question in my mind that Rodgers is better, and Favre is still and probably always will be my favorite athlete ever.

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It's difficult for a single football player to have a great impact on the outcome of a game. Though the QB is extremely important, he's not on the field for generally what is an entire half of the game, so I don't think Manning's lack of multiple SB rings should be held against him. He's got two SB appearances, several playoff games, and loads of records under his belt. That seems enough for greatest ever consideration, even if it means ranking him above someone with more rings.

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Eli taught him what to do. Peyton got this.

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Im not typically big on the intangibles, but I gotta believe there was something special about playing for a guy that never missed a game and played the way #4 did.

Might go back to the QB vs Passer thing.

It's possible at a given time for the greatest ever to be both though. if there even is something as the "greatest ever".

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I agree with you, but even factoring that in, I still would take Rodgers 10 times out of 10 without hesitation. I think he's a better QB and a better passer.

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What happened last year?


Ill tell you what happened. Tebow left and the Broncos couldnt win a playoff game without him!

He got Flacco'd.

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He'll probably get Alex Smith'd this year

I like the Broncos but hate Manning. I look forward to another playoff game that results in Manning leaving the field a loser.

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Loads of records in a wildly changed game don't really mean much from my perspective. What does matter is the sense of calm and control that Manning has in spades in regular season games, but is rarely exhibited in BIG games.

Manning is all-world in feeding on the weak, but he seems incapable of leading against teams with actual talent and coaching.

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Separate question, but who are your best ever, top 3-5 QBs?

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If not, his daddy Brady still awaits.

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